Auggybendoggy Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 God's love can seem harsh, but it is calculated to bring about the best possible results and the greatest degree of salvation possible for each individual.As a Universalist, I love this statement
Senator Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 If you had gone a little farther in the quote from Moses 7, it goes on to say God manifests his love to those for whom he is crying by thrusting their spirits into hell for about three thousand years, where they will suffer for their sins (not atone for their sins -- only Christ can do that) in the hope that by the time Christ makes his atoning sacrifice they will be chastened enough to be ready and willing to come unto the Savior and repent. God's love can seem harsh, but it is calculated to bring about the best possible results and the greatest degree of salvation possible for each individual. Here's the part you left out:36 Wherefore, I can stretch forth mine hands and hold all the creations which I have made; and mine eye can pierce them also, and among all the workmanship of mine hands there has not been so great wickedness as among thy brethren.37 But behold, their sins shall be upon the heads of their fathers; Satan shall be their father, and misery shall be their doom; and the whole heavens shall weep over them, even all the workmanship of mine hands; wherefore should not the heavens weep, seeing these shall suffer?38 But behold, these which thine eyes are upon shall perish in the floods; and behold, I will shut them up; a prison have I prepared for them.39 And that which I have chosen hath pled before my face. Wherefore, he suffereth for their sins; inasmuch as they will repent in the day that my Chosen shall return unto me, and until that day they shall be in torment;40 Wherefore, for this shall the heavens weep, yea, and all the workmanship of mine hands. (Moses7)Context is important.Then you failed to grasp the context in which my post was made. Go back and try again.
Bobbieaware Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 Then you failed to grasp the context in which my post was made. Go back and try again.I didn't fail to grasp it at all. My point in posting the additional verses of Moses 7 was to put the quoted verses in their proper context. And the additional verses reveal although God felt truly sorry for his antediluvian children who had totally ripened in iniquity, that didn't mean he was going to let them off easy. In their case, the Lord knew letting them go with the equivalent of a spiritual slap on the wrist would do more harm than good. The additional verses tell us the Lord knew causing them to suffer the full consequences of their folly for an extended period of time was the only way he could bring about their full remorse of conscience so that he could truly succeed in saving them in the end. In this progressive age of moral permissiveness, I was making sure the readers understood God is a great advocate of tough love, not of easy come easy go forgiveness. Permissiveness is the bane of our age.
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