Paul Osborne Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 1. What did the Father and Spirit look like (image) while the Son was on earth?2. What did the Father and Spirit look like (image) before the Son came to earth?3. What do the Father and Spirit look like (image) right now?The Father and Spirit are spirit ... they transcend. That's your answer? Well, I can say that it isn't much of an answer. What do the angels have to say? Surely the angels know. How about prophet that have seen God? How do they describe him?Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Will you now tell me that no one can see the faceless face of God and live?Moses did not see the face of God.You're right, the Bible teaches that God has no face:Ex 33:11And the LORD spake not unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend because the LORD has no face. Judges 6:22And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have not seen an angel of the LORD face to face because angels have no face.Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 I think it is clear in the O.T. that man saw the image of God prior to Christ receiving a body
Markk Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Hi,I believe it should be noted that the reason Jesus is referred to the 2nd Adam is as a "type". It is a analogy that Adam who brought sin into the world would be proceeded by the 2nd Adam who would take away the sin of the world. You can also see the the comparison that the 1st Adam condemmed men to work (in the sense of the coming Law), while the 2nd Adam freed men from works through His gift of Grace. This is just one of many "types" we see in OT to NT verses. Another one I love is Joshua ( same name as Jesus) leading the Jews into the promised land, while our Joshua (Jesus) leads us to the "promised land".Adam through his sin brought the need for the Law into this world, the law being necessary for man to realize thier fallen nature, the Bible says that the law is the tutor and a shadow of what is to come. The 2nd Adam, the incarnated Messiah, is what the Ot is really all about, all the prophets up to John were more or less leading Israel to the coming of the Christ, and through Him the shadow has been lifted and mankind can enter His rest.Johnny,A good proof text for what your correctly conveying about the nature of God is Phil. 2:5 thru about 10. Jesus was tranformed to the likeness of a man, you have to be one type of form to be transford to another. Col. 2: I believe 9 says, Jesus is all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily form, which indicates a difference.MarkJohn 1:12
johnny Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Paul Osborne writes, I gave you an answer, but you didn
Paul Osborne Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Oh Johnny, it must be difficult to maneuver like you do. I'm a pretty creative person myself but even I couldn't pull off what you do with mental gymnastics. Whether you feel fulfilled in what you say is your own business. I just can't reason with you. You say the Bible doesn't say whether God sounds like a man or a woman. But I don't need the Bible to tell me. Some things are more powerful than the written word, Johnny. The Bible is a great book but personal experience is much better. Best of luck. Paul O
Zakuska Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Johnny,I think it is clear in the O.T. that no one saw Jehovah in the form of a man. Ezekiel 126
Zakuska Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Oh Johnny, it must be difficult to maneuver like you do. I'm a pretty creative person myself but even I couldn't pull off what you do with mental gymnastics. Whether you feel fulfilled in what you say is your own business. I just can't reason with you. You say the Bible doesn't say whether God sounds like a man or a woman. But I don't need the Bible to tell me. Some things are more powerful than the written word, Johnny. The Bible is a great book but personal experience is much better. Best of luck. Paul O Add some music to that Paul...Shake it up baby now... Twist and shout!
johnny Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Zakuska writes, Apparently your recollection of the OT is blatantly flawed!Hint: Rev. 4-5 Its the same "Man" sitting on his throneYou would agree that these are visions seen with spiritual eyes ... John said he saw the Son of God as a lamb in his vision.
johnny Posted January 22, 2005 Posted January 22, 2005 Paul Osborne writes, You say the Bible doesn't say whether God sounds like a man or a woman.I said that God is is neither man nor woman. God is pure spirit in which there is no place for the difference between the sexes. Where "pure spirit" is spirit that that can "appear in any form" (see the following thread for more discussion)Is God Male, What does the Bible say?, How are we in God's Image ?.
enummaelish Posted January 22, 2005 Author Posted January 22, 2005 FOR THE LAST TIME, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD RESIDES IN HELL. GOD FILLS BOTH HEAVEN AND EARTH.If we use the term everywhere, you shouldn't take it out of context to mean it includes hell.Please do not take offense, but everytime I read your posts, I become more and more convinced that you people really know nothing about the Bible. I suggest you either convert to Mormonism or find a new hobby.In the Bible, the phrase
enummaelish Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 Maybe you could try hard and explain why you think "Humans are the same species as the Gods" at the following post:Just did.
rameumptom Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I don't mean to be controversial, I simply think that this is a fascinating topic, and would love to read your views. Is the image of God physical and if so, how do you understand the fifth lecture on Faith:
King Pagan Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Yes, there is one Father. He is a Man, infinite and all powerful....Y'know, I cannot think of a religion organization that has more brazenly attempted to create God in its own image than the Mormon Church. The idea that the supreme being of the universe looks just like a man and, in fact, once was a man is the absolute ultimate anthropomorphism.--KY Yeah, haha. Imagine that. Did you know that there are even some people that think a man actually walked on water, cured deadly diseases with a wave of his hand, and rose from the dead? Imagine that.
enummaelish Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 As for the Bible not saying whether God is male or female, I think that there are evidences within the Bible. God made MAN in his image. Jesus taught us how to pray: Our FATHER which art in heaven. In Hebrews, Paul calls God the FATHER of our spirits. These suggest that the Father is a Father/male.This of course is very true. God is never called a "queen" nor do authors choose the title "mother" in their efforts to describe his divine nature. In contrast to these facts, Biblical authors regularly refer to deity by the titles "king" and "father." The Biblical God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being!Thanks BTW, for a very nice post!
King Pagan Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Many pagan sects worship an ultimate mother goddess. I don't know anyone that would confuse these people with Christians. Does that make them less holy?
johnny Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 rameumptom writes,As for the Bible not saying whether God is male or female, I think that there are evidences within the Bible. God made MAN in his image. Jesus taught us how to pray: Our FATHER which art in heaven. In Hebrews, Paul calls God the FATHER of our spirits. These suggest that the Father is a Father/male. By saying that God made man in his image does not mean that God is in the image of man ... man is a body animated by a spiritual soul.By calling God Father it does not suggest that he is male but suggest that he is our creator. This is simply the language of faith.
johnny Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 enummaelish writes, This of course is very true. God is never called a "queen" nor do authors choose the title "mother" in their efforts to describe his divine nature. In contrast to these facts, Biblical authors regularly refer to deity by the titles "king" and "father." The Biblical God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being! The title "father" reveals that God created us ... it does not reveal that God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being!
enummaelish Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 The title "father" reveals that God created us ... it does not reveal that God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being! Not on its own, granted... but study the rest of the thread and I'm sure you will eventually come to the light. "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" Joseph Smith
johnny Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 enummaelish writes, Not on its own, granted... but study the rest of the thread and I'm sure you will eventually come to the light Maybe you could shed some light on what verses that would make you beleive that "God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being! " ..."God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" Joseph SmithJoseph Smith says "as we are now" ... you would agree that both you and are I are sinners ... is Joseph Smith then saying that God himself was once a sinful man?
enummaelish Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 is Joseph Smith then saying that God himself was once a sinful man?Unfortunately, Joseph is not here to explain himself and the Church of Jesus Christ, contrary to popular opinion, does not regularly focus upon such issues. I offer but my own opinion (which is of course is worth very little). I believe that Joseph was referring to God
enummaelish Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 Maybe you could shed some light on what verses that would make you beleive that "God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being! " ...Haven't we been doing just that for 12 pages now!
johnny Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 enummaelish writes, Haven't we been doing just that for 12 pages now! Specifically what are you referring too ... I cannot recall any post that reveals "God is clearly a male, anthropomorphic being! "
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