thesometimesaint Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 I think we should ask is, "What kind of heat can be trapped in an atmosphere that has .0032% CO2. What kind of heat is trapped in an atmosphere that has .004% CO2. What is the difference? Can you even quantify the difference?" Everything right now, appears to say, that it is really quite insignificant. Which, I would agree just judging by how little CO2 is in the atmosphere. Cyanide is absolutely essential to animal life on this planet. Too little and you die, and a little too much and you die.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 The oceans are by far the largest heat reservoir on Earth, absorbing 93% of global warming, look at the data since 1970. Do you know what the word "absorbing" means? There are a handful of short-term factors that drive changes in surface air temperature, even if CO2 levels are higher, so there is no problem at all. http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1141/ Of course Earth has been hotter in the distant past. I mean since the recorded data from 1880. Why are you avoiding my question? In what period are the top 4 hottest years, what is more likely according to NASA and NOAA?A) 1998 - 2014B) 1880 - 1998 Again, I can play the probability games too. Therefore your so-called pause is very unlikely As Russell pointed out, since we know the temperature of previous years there should be no probability that one was hotter over the other. Lat year on April 21 in West Jordan Utah the tempture high was 77. April 21 2015 was 74. Was it hotter this year or cooler? There is no probability here. I really don't think you see that you are being played. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) have acknowledged the warming from 1880-1998 about a million times on here, are you kidding me? Again I ask, so what? I probably did not explain what I am trying to ask you. I know you agree with the warming from 1880 to 1998. What I am asking is, the top 4 warmest years are from what period? What is more likely according to NASA and NOAA? A) 1998 to 2014B) 1880 to 1998 Why are you not acknowledging that the "warming" oceans don't change the pause in "global" warming when you take all variables into account? \ The air surface could be getting colder at the moment because of short term factors.Still, it is more likely that the top warmest years are after 1998, so where is the pause? Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Cyanide is absolutely essential to animal life on this planet. Too little and you die, and a little too much and you die.This is about the biggest non answer I have ever heard. This is totally irrelevant. I am asking you guys to quantify "what is too much CO2". When will it actually play a major factor, let alone a factor, in warming? Put some substance to it. No one is asking this question.
thesometimesaint Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Why are you not acknowledging that the "warming" oceans don't change the pause in "global" warming when you take all variables into account? I am not avoiding your question. I have acknowledged the warming from 1880-1998 about a million times on here, are you kidding me? Again I ask, so what? There has been no pause in global warming.SEE http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/has-global-warming-paused/
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Cyanide is absolutely essential to animal life on this planet. Too little and you die, and a little too much and you die. Let me ask you, perhaps you understand my question The top 4 warmest years are from what period? What is more likely according to NASA and NOAA? Is my question hard to understand? A) 1998 to 2014B) 1880 to 1998 Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
ERayR Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) There has been no pause in global warming.SEE http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/has-global-warming-paused/ Winter holds eastern U.S. in icy grip with record lowshttp://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/02/20/winter-weather-cold-snow-record-temperatures/23728379/ Edited April 22, 2015 by ERayR 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Winter holds eastern U.S. in icy grip with record lowshttp://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/02/20/winter-weather-cold-snow-record-temperatures/23728379/ So? There are more record highs than record lows Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
ERayR Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 So? There are more record highs than record lows Two can play that game. So.
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Two can play that game. So. The 4 warmest years are from what period? What is more likely according to NASA and NOAA? A) 1998 to 2014B) 1880 to 1998 C) I won't admit what is more likely
thesometimesaint Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 This is about the biggest non answer I have ever heard. This is totally irrelevant. I am asking you guys to quantify "what is too much CO2". When will it actually play a major factor, let alone a factor, in warming? Put some substance to it. No one is asking this question. It goes to demonstrate that even small changes can lead to major consequences. CO2 traps heat. Over the last 400,000 years there has been a natural variation in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It varies from 180ppm during ice ages to 280ppm in interglacial periods. We have pushed the CO2ppm concentration to a 400ppm concentration with no end in sight. What do you propose that concentration of CO2 will do?
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Please clean your inbox, I need to contact you in private
ERayR Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 It goes to demonstrate that even small changes can lead to major consequences. Cyanide and CO2 are not comparable. 1
thesometimesaint Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Let me ask you, perhaps you understand my question The top 4 warmest years are from what period? What is more likely according to NASA and NOAA? Is my question hard to understand? A) 1998 to 2014B) 1880 to 1998 It is a matter of starting and ending points. it is entirely predictable that the deniers would cherry pick a high starting point and a low ending point. The overall trend is towards more heat.SEE
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 It goes to demonstrate that even small changes can lead to major consequences. CO2 traps heat. Over the last 400,000 years there has been a natural variation in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It varies from 180ppm during ice ages to 280ppm in interglacial periods. We have pushed the CO2ppm concentration to a 400ppm concentration with no end in sight. What do you propose that concentration of CO2 will do?Sigh, No you have not demonstrated anything let alone "what is too much CO2". What we have seen is that what drives the CO2 in the atmosphere seems to be warming. Warming does not go up when there is more CO2. The CO2 goes up after the warming. I want you to quantify the change in temp between .0032% CO2 and .004% CO2. What is the difference in temp? Is there even a correlation? 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 The 4 warmest years are from what period? What is more likely according to NASA and NOAA? A) 1998 to 2014B) 1880 to 1998 C) I won't admit what is more likely Why don't you just keep asking this and pretend that we have not answered it every time you asked it. 1
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) Why don't you just keep asking this and pretend that we have not answered it every time you asked it.4 Hottest years?A) B) or C)? Look at the data http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) It is a matter of starting and ending points. it is entirely predictable that the deniers would cherry pick a high starting point and a low ending point. The overall trend is towards more heat.SEE He does a good job in showing how history repeats. The 4 warmest years likely happened after 1998 Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 4 Hottest years?A) B) or C)? Look at the data http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txtI already answered your question.
thesometimesaint Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Sigh, No you have not demonstrated anything let alone "what is too much CO2". What we have seen is that what drives the CO2 in the atmosphere seems to be warming. Warming does not go up when there is more CO2. The CO2 goes up after the warming. I want you to quantify the change in temp between .0032% CO2 and .004% CO2. What is the difference in temp? Is there even a correlation? There are no absolute limits in what a minimum concentration and a maximum concentration of CO2 beyond 0% and 100% .IE; Venus is too hot for life as we know it because of the runaway greenhouse effect of relatively too much CO2. While Mars is too cold for life as we know it because of the relative lack of CO2. Back here on this planet for the last 400,000 years the relative low of CO2 at 180ppm coincides with an ice age while a relative high of 280ppm coincides with a warmer interglacial period like we've had for the last 10,000 years or so. CO2 traps heat. This has been repeatedly confirmed over the last 120 years or so.SEE http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm Technically correct but misleading. Small changes in insolation do effect earths temperatures. What insolation doesn't account for is what we are experiencing now. YES there is a positive correlation between the relative concentrations of CO2 and temperature. The temperature correlation is about 1.7 degrees C.SEE
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 (edited) I already answered your question.As Russell pointed out, since we know the temperature of previous years there should be no probability that one was hotter over the other. Lat year on April 21 in West Jordan Utah the tempture high was 77. April 21 2015 was 74. That is not what I am talking about, ask pogi. So the 4 warmest years are from which period? A) or B) Edited April 22, 2015 by TheSkepticChristian
ERayR Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 That is not what I am talking about, ask pogi. So the 4 warmest years are from which period? A) or B) Do you really know what you are talking about?
TheSkepticChristian Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Do you really know what you are talking about? The 4 warmest years were likely after 1998, do yo agree?
ERayR Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 The 4 warmest years were likely after 1998, do yo agree? Your way off the question was: Do you really know what you are talking about? 1
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