Jana Riess Directly, Openly And Publicly Opposes Elder Nelson

[Scott Lloyd]

It was painfully obvious to all what would happen to the LDS church had it not capitulated to the federal government. It's leaders had been out in prison, John Taylor died in hiding, it's members disenfranchised, it's property seized upon. Call that a revelation if you will but if so why not deliver it earlier before it appeared that defeat was inevitable?

Wilford Woodruff said he would have stood fast and carried forward the practice and suffered all of the consequences if the Lord had told him to do so. The Lord said otherwise.

The Lord could have destroyed the enemies of the Church, thus allowing the saints to continue on with the practice; obviously He had other plans. I personally believe the time had come to end it by then. I believe it continued long enough to allow the enemies of the Church a chance to do the right thing; to their condemnation, they didn't.

So yes, President Woodruff spoke the truth; there was a revelation; your unbelief does not negate that it was.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

Care to demonstrate how there isn't a differentiation? If you are suggestion that Joseph did practice polygamy to raise up seed, what are the implications?

Well, if you're hounded by oppressors and persecutors and ultimately cut down by assassins in the prime of life, you can't very well raise up seed, can you?

Joseph's role as Prophet of the Restoration was to receive the revelation from God, teach it to others and set the example by living it himself as best he could for as long as he could under the circumstances.

[tonie]

Well, if you're hounded by oppressors and persecutors and ultimately cut down by assassins in the prime of life, you can't very well raise up seed, can you?

Joseph's role as Prophet of the Restoration was to receive the revelation from God, teach it to others and set the example by living it himself as best he could for as long as he could under the circumstances.

This does not demonstrate how Section 132 is a command for polygamy in order to raise up seed.

To address your point though, 1831 to 1844 is plenty of time to have numerous children with a plural wives. I do not think God has limited Himself to the confines of Jacob. A plain reading of the text of Section 132 shows it was a command.

[Scott Lloyd]

This does not demonstrate how Section 132 is a command for polygamy in order to raise up seed.

To address your point though, 1831 to 1844 is plenty of time to have numerous children with a plural wives. I do not think God has limited Himself to the confines of Jacob. A plain reading of the text of Section 132 shows it was a command.

I never said the Lord limited himself to the confines of Jacob. Nor did I deny that Section 132 is a command. You're setting up straw men.

And it's too easy for you to blithely say Joseph could have had numerous polygamous progeny while you ignore the constant oppression that beset the saints and Joseph in particular. While there were some plural marriages in Nauvoo,it did not take root and flourish as a practice until the Utah period, when the saints were relatively free for a while to practice their faith unmolested.

But this is not a polygamy thread. Start your own thread to discuss it, if you must. Rather than allow you to take this one off the rails, I will ignore any further posts here from you about polygamy.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[sdc999]

Wilford Woodruff said he would have stood fast and carried forward the practice and suffered all of the consequences if the Lord had told him to do so. The Lord said otherwise.

The Lord could have destroyed the enemies of the Church, thus allowing the saints to continue on with the practice; obviously He had other plans. I personally believe the time had come to end it by then. I believe it continued long enough to allow the enemies of the Church a chance to do the right thing; to their condemnation, they didn't.

So yes, President Woodruff spoke the truth; there was a revelation; your unbelief does not negate that it was.

And nor does your belief affirm that it was.  I believe that you believe that Woodruff spoke the truth.  "know", now that's a different story.  "The Lord could have......."  Yes, He can do anything.  He could also prevent babies from being raped, abused, etc., but He doesn't.  The tornado interviews are the best.  "God watched over us and saved us."   He must have hated the good christian neighbor that He allowed to get crushed in the rubble next door.

So, what do we have left here on Earth?  We have a God that allows things to happen, uninterferingly.  Why?  I can't say with surity.  I trust in God though.  

As I age a little more, I am learning more and more to detest the 'God likes us best' that religions seem to perpetrate amongst each other.    God in my life works for me.  I love my God and I love my neighbors (well,  most of them )  

[Scott Lloyd]

This thread is veering off course. It seems to have lived out its useful life anyway, so rather than abandon it to who knows what, I think I'll exercise my power as thread originator and close it.