"rethinking Mormons And Porn"

[frank_jessop]

I'm simply saying that we might want to resist the urge to raise our fists in triumph and shout, "We're #40! We're #40!"

Who here is doing that?

Sheesh!

I get the impression you are. (I am sure others get the same impression) You tacitly accuse those who will not revisit their 2009 articles, which were based on the Harvard Professors findings, and update them with the Tom Stringham blog as having an agenda. Edited April 22, 2014 by frank_jessop

[Scott Lloyd]

I get the impression you are. (I am sure others get the same impression) You tacitly accuse those who will not revisit their 2009 articles, which were based on the Harvard Professors findings, and update them with the Tom Stringham blog as having an agenda.

There is a glaring disconnect here.

 

Rejecting the premature conclusion that Utah or Mormons lead the nation in porn use is by no means the same thing as denying that there is nevertheless a serious problem.

 

I think it weird that you don't see that.

[mormonnewb]

Who here is doing that?

Sheesh!

Who here isn't do that? What is the point in bringing up this new survey? I presume it's to show that Mormons aren't the "closet pervs" that the first study suggested we were.

Given the Church's persistent messages about the dangers of porn, I'm not so sure that we are out of the woods yet. In fact, I SUSPECT (without proof) that the numbers in the new study underestimate the problems that church leaders are seeing in our wards. I just don't what else would explain the focus on this area of sin.

And if that is true, then it might be premature to ask for retractions from all those who used the previous study to make their point about the prevalence of porn among Mormons.

Edited April 22, 2014 by mormonnewb

[frank_jessop]

I think it weird that you don't see that.

Scott what is weird is that you others to extrapolate:

"Rejecting the premature conclusion that Utah or Mormons lead the nation in porn use is by no means the same thing as denying that there is nevertheless a serious problem."

From:

Who here is doing that?

Sheesh!

Which was your response to:

I'm simply saying that we might want to resist the urge to raise our fists in triumph and shout, "We're #40! We're #40!"

I stand by my assessment that you, in my view, are one with raised fists in triumph that Utah ranks number based on some random bloggers unpublished none reviewed blog. You appear to wholeheartedly reject the Harvard Professor, simply because someone produced a apples to oranges rebuttal. Makes one wonder who here has an agenda?

[Scott Lloyd]

Scott what is weird is that you others to extrapolate:

"Rejecting the premature conclusion that Utah or Mormons lead the nation in porn use is by no means the same thing as denying that there is nevertheless a serious problem."

From:

Which was your response to:

I stand by my assessment that you, in my view, are one with raised fists in triumph that Utah ranks number based on some random bloggers unpublished none reviewed blog. You appear to wholeheartedly reject the Harvard Professor, simply because someone produced a apples to oranges rebuttal. Makes one wonder who here has an agenda?

I've read this post at least half a dozen times and am still having trouble making sense of it.

 

At any rate, my position essentially is that there are two studies from which opposite conclusions might be drawn about Utah's national ranking in porn use. Which leads me to conclude that the jury is still out on the matter.

 

And no, I'm not triumphantly raising my fist in the air about porn use in the Church or lack thereof. Just calling for a bit of perspective.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Scott Lloyd

[frank_jessop]

I've read this post at least half a dozen times and am still having trouble making sense of it.

At any rate, my position essentially is that there are two studies from which opposite conclusions might be drawn about Utah's national ranking in porn use. Which leads me to conclude that the jury is still out on the matter.

And no, I'm not triumphantly raising my fist in the air about porn use in the Church or lack thereof. Just calling for a bit of perspective.

If you can not make sense of you own posts, how is anyone else suppose too? I am trying to understand why you expected to understand so much from "Who is doing that. Sheesh".

[Scott Lloyd]

If you can not make sense of you own posts, how is anyone else suppose too? I am trying to understand why you expected to understand so much from "Who is doing that. Sheesh".

It's your post that I couldn't make sense of. The one above is even less decipherable.

 

And this conversation with you is going nowhere. I'm unilaterally declaring it closed.

[frank_jessop]

It's your post that I couldn't make sense of. The one above is even less decipherable.

And this conversation with you is going nowhere. I'm unilaterally declaring it closed.

Sorry for the confusion.

My comment was based on a reading of a limited number of your posts. Also I discovered I left out an essential word in one of my comments.

[Bikeemikey]

I've read this post at least half a dozen times and am still having trouble making sense of it.

At any rate, my position essentially is that there are two studies from which opposite conclusions might be drawn about Utah's national ranking in porn use. Which leads me to conclude that the jury is still out on the matter.

And no, I'm not triumphantly raising my fist in the air about porn use in the Church or lack thereof. Just calling for a bit of perspective.

There are not two studies.

There is one study and a well written blogpost.

It's important to keep that in mind.

In the study Utah had the highest subscription rates... Suggestions such as hard to access porn dvd rentals (it was the case (back in 2009) that a majority of porn was rented hard copy) and a more youthful population were top of the list.

In the blog post analysis of page visits (not subscriptions) Utah scored at the lower end of the pack.

These are apples to oranges analysis' that show Utah has the highest paid subscription porn services from one major online content provider yet has much lower viewership of free content from another very large website.

No capacity to make observations about Mormons at all.

Edited April 23, 2014 by Bikeemikey