Anti-Mormonism Is The "Prejudice Of Our Age"

[Scott Lloyd]

He's not alone.

Lehi

Secularist and left-leaning anti-Mormons seem to view Mormon disapproval of gay marriage as a way for them to legitimatize their own bigotry against Mormonism. Ignorant as they are about the Mormon faith, the Larry O'Donnels and Bill Mahers of the world never paid much attention to us prior to Prop 8. We were merely lumped in with all other religious faiths, which they despise.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Scott Lloyd

[LeSellers]

Harry Reid has been criticized for his religion.

WOW!!!

1 example, and from a blog no less.

Color me IMPRESSED!!!

The "criticism" is very mild compared to what political Saints endure if their politics are conservative, and that pales in comparison to the criticism if the person is both a Saint and a libertarian. "I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves." We might say that this statement is the essence of libertarianism, but it's rarely invoked much of late, even within the Church he was called to found.

The righteous don't need much government,. It is the wicked who cannot survive without the heavy hand of the state limiting their actions.

Lehi

[LeSellers]

[Jaybear]'s not alone [in injecting homosexual marriage into every discussion possible in this forum].

Secularist and left-leaning anti-Mormons seem to view Mormon disapproval of gay marriage as a way for them to legitimatize their own bigotry against Mormonism. Ignorant as they are about the Mormon faith, the Larry O'Donnels and Bill Mahers of the world never paid much attention to us prior to Prop 8. We were merely lumped in with all other religious faiths, which they despise.

You're right, of course, but I was focusing more on the discussions we have here.

Darrinx (whatever name and number he's up to now) and california boy take a very similar approach to this forum.

Lehi

[Scott Lloyd]

I came across another article in the Wall Street Journal that I found interesting. It relates well to the article cited in the OP. http://online.wsj.co...4205029400.html

The author of that piece asks an important question:

So amid all the coverage given to Pastor Robert Jeffress, ask yourself this question. If you were a Mormon, which would you consider the real threat to your liberty: what some Dallas Baptist says about your faith—or organized attacks intended to intimidate and drive you off the public square?

Could it be that, pertaining to Mormonism, left-leaning secularists may become the Missouri mobs of the 21st century?

Edited October 13, 2011 by Scott Lloyd

[Jaybear]

That was not by my choice. It seems that whenever the topic of bigotry against Mormonism is brought up, Jaybear will inevitably try to drag Prop 8 and the Gay agenda into the discussion.

Your analogy with alcoholism really missed the mark.

So I thought the analogy I provided would help you to better understand/empathize with EV's reasoning for opposing a Mormon presidential candidate.

Obviously, you were not interested in gaining deeper understanding of the EV mindset.

Secularist and left-leaning anti-Mormons seem to view Mormon disapproval of gay marriage as a way for them to legitimatize their own bigotry against Mormonism. Ignorant as they are about the Mormon faith, the Larry O'Donnels and Bill Mahers of the world never paid much attention to us prior to Prop 8. We were merely lumped in with all other religious faiths, which they despise.

You obviously don't have a clue or don't really care to understand what motivates atheists or "secularists". You prefer to pretend to live in world that is black and white.

[KevinG]

I think anti-Mormon bigotry is in the news because Mitt Romney is in the news.

Overall even my Baptist neighbors treat my family and I with great respect. Even those who mock us (South Park, BOM Musical) cannot help noting our positive traits, community spirit and "golly gee" how darn nice we can be.

For me this is another brief interlude in the spotlight of national affairs which will bring out the best allies and worst critics.

Having said that - I believe that anti-Semetism is a much more severe issue on the world stage. Nobody is calling for the destruction of Utah. The Latter-day Saints weren't almost exterminated in the 20th century. We aren't catching pipe bombs in Sandy.

Nationally the problems of illegal immigration form an excuse for anti-mexican bigotry and the issue of terrorism forms the basis for anti Islamic bigotry.

Bottom line - shine a spotlight on any group and the haters will use it as a handy platform for their particular brand of intolerence. It just happens to be our turn through November 2012. November 2016-2020 if Romney wins.

Edited October 13, 2011 by DaddyG

[Zakuska]

Nobody is calling for the destruction of Utah.

I wouldn't go that far. There are many Anti-Mormons who make it there lives mission to do everything they can for the downfall of Utah and Mormon Culture.

[KevinG]

This post is yet another example of how conservatives can approach politics with blinders.

That's not political at all.

[KevinG]

I wouldn't go that far. There are many Anti-Mormons who make it there lives mission to do everything they can for the downfall of Utah and Mormon Culture.

I was thinking in the sense that there are groups that would physically destroy Israel and any Jew (by birth or by religion).

There are some pretty vile anti-mormons out there but there is no organized, armed presence with allies on the UN security counsel willing to wage war on Utah. We dodged that bullet in the 19th century.

[Zakuska]

I was thinking in the sense that there are groups that would physically destroy Israel and any Jew (by birth or by religion).

There are some pretty vile anti-mormons out there but there is no organized, armed presence with allies on the UN security counsel willing to wage war on Utah. We dodged that bullet in the 19th century.

I agree there. But I wouldn't put it past some people if given the chance. We did get ferry pixel dust mailed to the Salt Lake temple.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Zakuska

[thesometimesaint]

Scott Llyod:

I see a whole lot of right leaning Christians claiming we're not Christians.

[Zakuska]

This post is yet another example of how conservatives can approach politics with blinders.

Harry Reid has been criticized for his religion. But, Reid is not a presidential candidate. Once one becomes a presidential candidate, issues such as one's religion become much more significant.

The simple fact is that Mormons are considered by most Christians to be member of a cult. I know this because I try long jury trials in California and I hire jury consultants. On occasion I represent, or sue, Mormons in business transactions. I rely upon these jury consultants to give me the pulse of Californian jurors, and it is always the same -- "admired, but a cult."

Thats the problem I see with the Jeffress comments on friday and then his later hedging and redefining to "theological cult". (Which ironically would also make the SBC a "theological cult" as well) They throw the world "cult" out there knowing full well that the average American is going to imediately think of Heavens Gate or Jim Jones. They don't mind because the well has been poisoned and they have accomplished their task.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Zakuska

[Vance]

The "criticism" is very mild compared to what political Saints endure if their politics are conservative, and that pales in comparison to the criticism if the person is both a Saint and a libertarian.

Correct.

I hope you didn't miss the sarcasm in my post.

[Vance]

Scott Llyod:

I see a whole lot of right leaning Christians claiming we're not Christians.

I would agree. And they do it because they claim to be (true) Christian. The leftists on the other hand tend to hate ALL religions (except statism).

[LeSellers]

I hope you didn't miss the sarcasm in my post.

Not a bit of it.

But there are people who are sarcasm impaired, and it seems, from time to time, helpful to underscore the message using more direct language.

Lehi

[KevinG]

Not a bit of it.

But there are people who are sarcasm impaired, and it seems, from time to time, helpful to underscore the message using more direct language.

Lehi

The sarcasm impaired should be put down for their own good.

Edited October 13, 2011 by DaddyG

[Scott Lloyd]

Scott Llyod:

I see a whole lot of right leaning Christians claiming we're not Christians.

But the man's point in the Wall Street Journal piece is that these right-leaning Christians, by and large, are not endeavoring to shut us out of the public dialogue or participation in the political process through intimidation, near-terrorism, threatening the tax-exempt status of our Church, interfering with individual Church members' means of livelihood, etc. These were all tactics brought to bear against Mormons and Mormonism in the wake of the Prop 8 controversy, and I daresay it was people on the left who were engaging in them.

Telling people my faith is not Christian might hurt my feelings, but bringing pressure on my employer to dismiss me because of my religious/political stance threatens the ability of my family and me to subsist, and sending anthrax powder through the mail — fake or real — might frighten my Mormon neighbor into declining to exercise his freedom of speech. The post-Prop8 actions seem to be closer to the oppression that the mobs were inflicting on the saints in the 1830s-40s in that those things pose a threat of bodily injury and deprivation of monetary means as punishment for victims having exercised their human rights.

That said, let me add that I disapprove of anti-Mormonism wherever it is found or whatever form it takes. I am an equal-opportunity disapprover in that respect.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Scott Lloyd