Oh No! We'S A Cult! Follow Up.

[Storm Rider]

Calmoriah,

You mentioned about a this pastor meant that Mormonism is a theological cult identified as heretical by it having a human founder, not Jesus Christ and had new revelation beyond the Bible?

If this pastor is a Southern Baptist wouldn't they have a had a human founder (not Jesus Christ) at some point in history? For the life of me I just can't remember anywhere in the New Testament or that Old for that matter where we can find the "South Baptist Convention." And don't they have new revelation beyond the Bible in that they adopted the one Martin Luther or whomever...who took the Apocrypha (7 books) out of the existing Bible to make the Protestant Bible. The Bible had been canonized for well over 1,000 years before they did this and then they added some creeds. So wouldn't that count as believing in new revelation beyond the Bible?

Could you or someone else tell how the SBC got their start?

Thanks so much,

HR

That is true, but it would be unfair to point that out to the SBC. They are very indignant and because of the heavy blinders they wear they do not see the logic. For them, they see themselves and then Jesus Christ without any lens in-between. Of course, a LDS could not use the same answer because that would be lying.

[CQUIRK]

I recall that the SBC was started over the issue of slavery; the baptists in the south supported it then and split from the northern baptists because of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Convention

[Storm Rider]

I recall that the SBC was started over the issue of slavery; the baptists in the south supported it then and split from the northern baptists because of it.

http://en.wikipedia....tist_Convention

That is an accurate statement. It sole reason for being was racist and a desire to maintain slavery in the south. Growing up in the south in the 70's it remained segregated and you will find very, very, very few, if any, First Baptist churches today that have a black member in the south. It remains a much segregated congregation in their respective locations. However, the LDS Church did not allow Blacks to be ordained and everyone knows that the LDS Church is a cult....at least that is what the Baptists have told me since I was a boy. There is no need to talk about the history of the SBC because we all know that they are "saved".

Go ahead, ask me if I get a little punchy when talking about the SBC?

Edited October 12, 2011 by Storm Rider

[Gervin]

That is an accurate statement. It sole reason for being was racist and a desire to maintain slavery in the south. Growing up in the south in the 70's it remained segregated and you will find very, very, very few, if any, First Baptist churches today that have a black member in the south. It remains a much segregated congregation in their respective locations. However, the LDS Church did not allow Blacks to be ordained and everyone knows that the LDS Church is a cult....at least that is what the Baptists have told me since I was a boy. There is no need to talk about the history of the SBC because we all know that they are "saved".

Go ahead, ask me if I get a little punchy when talking about the SBC?

The SBC reports:

... there are now over 4,000 churches in the SBC that are primarily African American (almost 10 percent of the churches in the SBC), and many others attend racially mixed congregations. Over a million church members in the SBC have African heritage. At least 19 African Americans have been elected President of their state Baptist conventions, two have served as Executive Director of a state Baptist Convention, and others have served as Director of Missions for several associations. African Americans have served as Vice President of several convention entities and of the SBC itself. Likewise, not only are about 1,000 Korean churches in the SBC, but the largest SBC church in the Maryland/Delaware Baptist convention is Korean.

[thesometimesaint]

Storm Rider:

I was in the South in the 60's. Very interesting times.

I think there is a bit of a difference between allowing someone to be the preacher, and being allowed to sit in the pews.

[Storm Rider]

The SBC reports:

... there are now over 4,000 churches in the SBC that are primarily African American (almost 10 percent of the churches in the SBC), and many others attend racially mixed congregations. Over a million church members in the SBC have African heritage. At least 19 African Americans have been elected President of their state Baptist conventions, two have served as Executive Director of a state Baptist Convention, and others have served as Director of Missions for several associations. African Americans have served as Vice President of several convention entities and of the SBC itself. Likewise, not only are about 1,000 Korean churches in the SBC, but the largest SBC church in the Maryland/Delaware Baptist convention is Korean.

Yes, I am aware, but please visit Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Lousianna, and Tennessee and attend any First Baptist church and tell me how many Black people you find attending at that congregation. I would be willing to bet you could count them on two hands. The South remains stunted in their ability to blend their worship services; particularly the SBC.

[Gervin]

Yes, I am aware, but please visit Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Lousianna, and Tennessee and attend any First Baptist church and tell me how many Black people you find attending at that congregation. I would be willing to bet you could count them on two hands. The South remains stunted in their ability to blend their worship services; particularly the SBC.

Global statements, like prejudice, are usually born of ignorance. Here's one example from a story a few weeks ago of a baptist church in Birmingham. http://blog.al.com/living-news/2011/08/south_roebuck_baptist_plants_s.html

Perhaps you'd like to offer an article about diversity inroads the LDS church is making in the south.

[LeSellers]

Perhaps you'd like to offer an article about diversity inroads the LDS church is making in the south.

There's no reason to.

We've never had segregated congregations. The only time there are anything like them, it's not about race, it's about language, and possibly "interests" (e.g., Young Single Adults Wards/Branches). Black members of our church have met with white members in the same wards since Elijah Abel in the 1830s.

Lehi

Edited October 12, 2011 by LeSellers

[Vance]

Global statements, like prejudice, are usually born of ignorance. Here's one example from a story a few weeks ago of a baptist church in Birmingham. http://blog.al.com/l...t_plants_s.html

Appealing to a NEWS (i.e. something new and different) article doesn't really help your argument much.

Just saying.

[Storm Rider]

Global statements, like prejudice, are usually born of ignorance. Here's one example from a story a few weeks ago of a baptist church in Birmingham. http://blog.al.com/l...t_plants_s.html

Perhaps you'd like to offer an article about diversity inroads the LDS church is making in the south.

As was already stated, the LDS Church has never had segregated congregations, which is not the history of the SBC. Just go to a LDS congregation and observe.

My experience is first hand; it is by growing up in the south and visiting every year. It is not by reading books or by having someone try to tell me "it a'int so". I stay in touch with many of my high school friends; things have not changed. I also focus on the First Baptist churches rather than the SBC as a whole. The FBCs are lilly white; it is a hangover from the raison d'etre of origination.

The main point I am making is that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Baptists, EVs, etc. should not be so quick to attack the LDS Church when their history and their current state is less than perfect or in some cases, much worse indeed.

[Nathair/|\]

Karl Rove recently had some good things to say in response to Pastor Jeffress. Regardless of what you think of him otherwise, in this one case he's exactly right.

http://video.foxnews...s-of-mormonism/

Edited October 14, 2011 by Nathair

[KevinG]

Perhaps you'd like to offer an article about diversity inroads the LDS church is making in the south.

Do I start with the Freedmens Bank records, the growth of the Atlanta Stake or the large number of Spanish Branches?

[ldsfaqs]

delete

Edited October 14, 2011 by ldsfaqs

[JRM]

My opinion is there are too many non-catholic people fighting for there own self-righteous interpretations of 1700+ year old writings to have meaningful discussion by and large.

Then again, I'm only trying to hit the magical 25 mark so I can ask a serious question. If any very well informed LDS members would care to help out then please pm.

[LeSellers]

My opinion is there are too many non-catholic people fighting for there own self-righteous interpretations of 1700+ year old writings to have meaningful discussion by and large.

It would help if you were to explain what the message above means.

Lehi

[LeSellers]

It's completely understandable to have a Spanish-speaking ward in a Spanish speaking country...

But why in America? Especially, when the church is supposedly trying to encourage Spanish-Speakers to learn English

I ask the same question, but I do understand their desire to learn the Gospel in their own language. (In fact, the scriptuires tell us that every man will hear the Gospel in his own tongue.)

And why are people (esp. in some predominantly LDS parts - like UT) - very prejudice?

I see it in how they ignore or talk down to those who have darker skin than they.

You may be right that some Utahns are "prejudice [sic]". But I dispute complete;y that Utahns are any more prejudiced than anyone else. I think rather much the contrary. Utah has far more people (not of Hispanic descent) who speak Spanish, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese, and a hundred other languages than anywhere else in USmerica. I love the French and Swiss because I served them. I love the Italians because I lived among them.

Segregation... not mandatory (it's illegal) - but still offered... Partly, I think so the "daughters of white people" don't mix with the "daughters of darker people (AKA in scripture - people with the curse of dark skin)."

One GA told a dark-skin friend of mine, "Go to your home country & marry there."

And the reason for this is nothing other than prejudice?

It simply couldn't be that this "daughter of darker people" might be an asset to the people in her own country?

BTW, the phrase is not "people with the curse of dark skin". The Book of Mormon tells us that the dark skin is a sign of the curse, not the curse itself. And there is a difference.

Lehi

Edited October 16, 2011 by LeSellers

[KevinG]

Our Spanish speaking brethren and sisters were thrilled when we finally organized a Spanish speaking branch here in Georgia. They have the choice of attending there or in an English speaking ward. The vast majority chose to go to the new branch.

Its not about segregation - it is about being able to worship in a language you are comfortable with minus the awkwardness of translators.

As far as marrying into ones own country, that has more to do with cutlural compatability than race. Americans of all races are encouraged to marry in the States. Crossing cutlures is a difficult and sometimes perilous task.

[Zakuska]

Crossing cutlures is a difficult and sometimes perilous task.

Not only that... having your inlaws live in another country causes other challenges as well. Take it from first hand experience.

[Nathair/|\]

Not only that... having your inlaws live in another country causes other challenges as well. Take it from first hand experience.

So can having them live within driving and phoning distance.

[Skylla]

HeatherAnn: Your off-topic rant has been deleted.

Skylla