Vegetarianism

[BOMG]

Myth #1 - The "use sparingly" phrase is God's approval to eat meat.

Response - Because of the versification readers fail to include the second part which defines what "sparingly" means:

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used,

only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

(D&C 89)

Hyrum Smith further explained why God allowed the eating of meat in those times only:

"Let men attend to these instructions, let them use the things of God; let them be sparing of the life of animals:

'i

t is pleasing saith the Lord that flesh be used

only in

times of of winter, or of famine'

- and why to be used in famine? because all domesticated animals would naturally die, and may as well be made use of by man, as not." (Hyrum Smith,

"The Word of Wisdom"

,

Times and Seasons

, 1 June 1842, vol. 3, p. 800.)

With modern heating/air conditioning, freezers and refrigeration, can a flesh diet be justified?

Myth #2 To abstain from meat is wrong. (D&C 49:18)

Response: The verse says the opposite, it condemns anyone against Vegetarianism:

18 And whoso

forbiddeth to abstain

from meats that man should not eat the same is not ordained of God;

21 And

wo

be unto

man

that

sheddeth blood

or that

wasteth flesh

and

hath no need.

Again, with modern heating/air conditioning, freezers and refrigeration, can the needless shedding of blood be justified?

The JST makes it clear we will be judged:

11 And surely,

blood shall not be shed,

only for

meat to save your lives

and the blood

of every beast will I require

at your hands.

(Gen. 9, italicized added by Joe, aka Joseph)

Edited July 15, 2011 by BOMG

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Myth #1 - The "use sparingly" phrase is God's approval to eat meat.

Response - Because of the versification readers fail to include the second part which defines what "sparingly" means:

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used,

only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

(D&C 89)

Hyrum Smith further explained why God allowed the eating of meat in those times only:

"Let men attend to these instructions, let them use the things of God; let them be sparing of the life of animals:

'i

t is pleasing saith the Lord that flesh be used

only in

times of of winter, or of famine'

- and why to be used in famine? because all domesticated animals would naturally die, and may as well be made use of by man, as not." (Hyrum Smith,

"The Word of Wisdom"

,

Times and Seasons

, 1 June 1842, vol. 3, p. 800.)

With modern heating/air conditioning, freezers and refrigeration, can a flesh diet be justified?

Myth #2 To abstain from meat is wrong. (D&C 49:18)

Response: The verse says the opposite, it condemns anyone against Vegetarianism:

18 And whoso

forbiddeth to abstain

from meats that man should not eat the same is not ordained of God;

21 And

wo

be unto

man

that

sheddeth blood

or that

wasteth flesh

and

hath no need.

Again, with modern heating/air conditioning, freezers and refrigeration, can the needless shedding of blood be justified?

The JST makes it clear we will be judged:

11 And surely,

blood shall not be shed,

only for

meat to save your lives

and the blood

of every beast will I require

at your hands.

(Gen. 9, italicized added by Joe)

I am sorry, but you simply have not made a case for vegetarianism. Meat can still be eating, and it seems that we can eat as much as we want of meat during winter or famine. How is that vegetarianism? Being a vegetarian means not eating meat period. That means not meat during winter or famine as well as any other time.

[thesometimesaint]

BOMG:

The WoW is not a commandment to a vegetarian. There is nothing in LDS doctrine that requires it.

Yes even with modern convienences a little meat can be justified. It is a convenient source of complete protein. I am a member of PETA(People Eating Tasty Animals).

[BOMG]

blah, blah

same ole same ole

What are you two going to eat during the millennium, assuming you make it there?

[thesometimesaint]

BOMG:

I'm 60 years old. The millenium better get a move on if it's going to include my mortal body.

I have no idea what I, or my descendents, will eat during the Millenium. Maybe we'll develop Star Trek style replicators.

[BOMG]

I have no idea what I, or my descendents, will eat during the Millenium.

Probably the same diet they had before the flood. Btw, chef Ramsey tried meat substitutes on his cooks and they could not tell the difference. There's really no reason to continue the cave man diet.

[BCSpace]

Based on the OP, which are the verses I would have read, I judge (1 Cor 6:2) that it is sin to advocate vegetarianism and hence vegetarianism itself is probably a sin too. But what does the doctrine (the publications of the Church other than the scriptures) say?

[Deborah]

Since the WOW, except for the 4 specific Don'ts, is left up to the individual to interpret, no one can say that eating meat or not eating meat is wrong. Why is BOMG so hung up on this?

[Hestia]

italicized added by Joe, aka Joseph)

Remember whose board you are on and refer to the Prophet respectfully.

This thread is about to be closed like the other one if you don't stop the snide remarks ("What are you two going to eat during the millennium, assuming you make it there?").

[BOMG]

Based on the OP, which are the verses I would have read, I judge (1 Cor 6:2) that it is sin to advocate vegetarianism and hence vegetarianism itself is probably a sin too. But what does the doctrine (the publications of the Church other than the scriptures) say?

Are you a Zoramite? Humility goes further with God than arrogance.

Since the WOW, except for the 4 specific Don'ts, is left up to the individual to interpret, no one can say that eating meat or not eating meat is wrong. Why is BOMG so hung up on this?

Cognitive dissonance is real.

[BOMG]

Remember whose board you are on and refer to the Prophet respectfully. This thread is about to be closed..

Get a life, his contemporaries referred to him like that, least I had the courtesy to use both, wake up.

[Hestia]

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