elguanteloko Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 Those three videos will make anyone understand why low probability alone is a bad argument for design. I highly recommend them.unfortunately, the heavy exposition on Kolmogovor Complexity using Prolog hasn't been finished.
elguanteloko Posted July 20, 2011 Posted July 20, 2011 elguanteloko:Sorry about my late response."I am surprised. You really believe in ID?".As a member of the Church of course I believe God did it, and as a scientist I think that evolution is how he did it.God did what, exactly? Did God design evolution? That would be a very strange thing to say because evolution is an event (or events put together, you get the point), not a thing. What did God do?
Mordecai Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Mordecai, I wonder why you keep on repeating all over this board (when talking about ID) about low probabilities. Low probability is the weakest possible argument you can give for ID and this has been pointed out to you before by Tarski and other users.Ugh. You don't understand what you're talking about. WHY do you insist on getting into these debates with me, when people have repeatedly told you how confused you are? You don't understand people's arguments for whatever reason, but you just keep arguing as if you do, insisting that you do understand them. You don't. Seriously, you don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. Edited July 21, 2011 by Mordecai
elguanteloko Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Ugh. You don't understand what you're talking about. WHY do you insist on getting into these debates with me, when people have repeatedly told you how confused you are? You don't understand people's arguments for whatever reason, but you just keep arguing as if you do, insisting that you do understand them. You don't. Seriously, you don't get it, and I don't think you ever will. sure, whatever.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 God did what, exactly? Did God design evolution? That would be a very strange thing to say because evolution is an event (or events put together, you get the point), not a thing. What did God do?Perhaps the sometimesaint has in mind the design of the blueprint of earthlife, DNA. Many believe that once the double helix of DNA is in place and functioning that evolution is a foregone conclusion.For a variety of reasons, including the law of entropy, I don't go along with that notion. Adaptation and natural selection are in one category, evolution in another entirely.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 Those three videos will make anyone understand why low probability alone is a bad argument for design. I highly recommend them.I don't know a thing about Kolmogorov Complexity, but I would like to see this guy do a critique of probability arguments for design from atheist scientists and mathematicians (such as the late Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe), rather than creating straw-man versions of ID attributed to religious people.
ERayR Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 As an LDS and educated in science, I think he primarily did it through panspermia, using evolution to tweak the designs. Evolution has proven itself incapable of doing the "heavy lifting", just the light stuff like beaks and claws.As an educated LDS I personally believe he did it by organizing the intelligences, whose form was/is that of humans. The intelligences then took on spiritual matter to become spirit children of our father in heaven which then took on mortal matter to become what we are now.
thesometimesaint Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 elguanteloko:God used Evolution in the Creation of everything. God did not "invent" evolution it is one of the natural laws that God uses to further his works. IE. Say I use a hammer(along with other tools and materials) to build a house. I don't need to invent the hammer. All I have to do is use the hammer in the correct way.
elguanteloko Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 I don't know a thing about Kolmogorov Complexity, but I would like to see this guy do a critique of probability arguments for design from atheist scientists and mathematicians (such as the late Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe), rather than creating straw-man versions of ID attributed to religious people.Dude, this is a discussion forum. If you are going to say he is creating a straw-man, say why or give me something more. What type of answers do you expect to such a comment, "no"? To be clear, he is NOT attempting (in those three videos I posted at least, though he does in later ones which he never finished) to show why Dembski is wrong. What he is explaining (and is well understood) is that probability ONLY can't indicate design. If you want to know more on what he is attempting go to his youtube channel and watch the first video to that series where he explains more what he is trying to do.
elguanteloko Posted July 21, 2011 Posted July 21, 2011 elguanteloko:God used Evolution in the Creation of everything. God did not "invent" evolution it is one of the natural laws that God uses to further his works. IE. Say I use a hammer(along with other tools and materials) to build a house. I don't need to invent the hammer. All I have to do is use the hammer in the correct way.I'm sorry but I still don't see what God is doing, according to your view. Is God killing a few critical members of a specie so 'natural' (which wouldn't be all that natural after all) selection goes one way and not another? What is God really doing, TSS?
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