Gay Church Employee loses Temple Recommend and Job

[Jeff K.]

What does self-indulgence have to do with anything?

I'll kindly remind you that you don't speak for me.

When people spew silly things, sometimes persepective needs to be put in place. You provide a rich environment. I merely bring out the implications of some of your most outrageous statements.

[bookofmormontruth]

No, they're not. But those that are are living in primitive societies have not specialized, and are doing poorly as a result. Thanks for backing up my point.

Whoever told that wiki isn't "valid" was teasing you.

Anywhoozle - way off the original point of yours which even an atheist couldn't agree with.

And no offense, I don't take anyone serious when they start posting wikipedia links. It did make me laugh though so thank you.

[Messenger]

Has this article been discussed? If true, it appears that a celibate but gay LDS Church employee was denied a temple recommend because of his association with gay friends.

http://www.cityweekl...ay-friends.html

If he's celibate, then that

[semlogo]

Anywhoozle - way off the original point of yours which even an atheist couldn't agree with.

And no offense, I don't take anyone serious when they start posting wikipedia links. It did make me laugh though so thank you.

There's no reason to take that attitude about wikipedia. It's perfectly accurate on average, and good enough for internet discussions.

[semlogo]

When people spew silly things, sometimes persepective needs to be put in place. You provide a rich environment. I merely bring out the implications of some of your most outrageous statements.

I'm sure common sense seems outrageous to you.

[Jeff K.]

Common sense, so common, and yet a valuable commodity for you, as judged by it's scarceness in your posts. I appreciate the value you put upon it.

[semlogo]

Common sense, so common, and yet a valuable commodity for you, as judged by it's scarceness in your posts. I appreciate the value you put upon it.

I appreciate you taking the time for rhetorical sparring just on the edge of breaking the rules, instead of actually backing up your claims. That says a lot.

[Jeff K.]

I appreciate you taking the time for rhetorical sparring just on the edge of breaking the rules, instead of actually backing up your claims. That says a lot.

There is no joy in defeating unarmed men. I feel shame for having done so.

[semlogo]

There is no joy in defeating unarmed men. I feel shame for having done so.

See, more dancing, but still no evidence to back up your outlandish claims.

[Skylla]

Common sense, so common, and yet a valuable commodity for you, as judged by it's scarceness in your posts. I appreciate the value you put upon it.

You're out of this thread.

Skylla

[Nathair/|\]

You consider the church immoral. Don't cherry pick, we are our beliefs. You are not our beliefs. Think on that.

Sin does destroy civilization, homosexuality being one of the sins that undermine it. Already the family means less than it did at one time, and one day, thanks to people like you and your endorsement, the word family will be meaningless.

Again, you present a strawman, which is rejected.

So lets dispense with your strawman, you consider homosexuality good, and the church and its views immoral. I think that is your position in an accurate nutshell.

Why, exactly, is civilization worth saving?

:Yours under the barbaric oaks,

Nathair /|\

[Daniel2]

Why, exactly, is civilization worth saving?

:Yours under the barbaric oaks,

Nathair /|\

Is this comment meant-to-be tongue-in-cheek...?

I believe it's self-evident there are many praiseworthy individuals, groups, organizations opperating with altruistic goals and aspiriations, inspiring works of art and literature, etc. that exist because of civilization, making it worth saving.

Darin

[Nathair/|\]

Is this comment meant-to-be tongue-in-cheek...?

I believe it's self-evident there are many praiseworthy individuals, groups, organizations opperating with altruistic goals and aspiriations, inspiring works of art and literature, etc. that exist because of civilization, making it worth saving.

Darin

Not entirely. I grant that at least some of the advances in art, architecture and technology may have been impossible or at least have taken a lot longer without the resources a civilization can be put together.

"The empires of man shall deem us Barbarians. But it is these empires of humanity that from nature stray. For truly humanity is far more cruel than any beast of forest or plain. And 'civilization' is a farce dressed in the arrogance of a creature forgotten by the Gods and cast out from the heart and breast of Mother Earth." --put in the mouth of Vercingetorix, but probably pseudipigraphical

When I hear the word civilization, I think of the destruction of both Herod's and Solomon's temples, Daniel and his friends sentenced to death for worshiping the God of their conscience, crosses lining the Appian way, gulags and concentration camps, the brutal subjugation of the five nations (of Celts) by John Bull, hatred and demonization of people based on things other than their character, matter and spirit being placed in opposition and the eventual rejection of the non-material, etc.

On the other hand, the word barbarian brings to mind the paintings at Lascaux; inspired bards like David, Taliesin and Amergin; freedom fighters like Vercingetorix, Boudicca, William Wallace, etc.

I suppose, strictly speaking, a balance needs to be found in order to minimize the vices and maximize the virtues on both sides, but my heart will always be in the wild places.

Yours under the untamed oaks,

Nathair /|\