Yirgacheffe Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 An 18 year old is an adult. It's interesting that the parents had her clothes already outside the house, so obviously they knew what was happening.My wife Piper was attracted to me, and took the missionary lessons behind the back of her parents. The day she turned 18 I baptized her RichardFrom Richards post it seems she took the lessons before she was 18 and that she snuck behind her parents back to do so. He does not dispute this, even agreed that it had troubling aspects but that overall it was a good thing in the end.
Deborah Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 From Richards post it seems she took the lessons before she was 18 and that she snuck behind her parents back to do so. He does not dispute this, even agreed that it had troubling aspects but that overall it was a good thing in the end.I frankly had the missionary lessons when I was 14 without my parents knowing, only because I didn't think it was a big deal. I was going to a friend's house. I was the only one who went to church anyway and I had no idea it would cause such contention. I wasn't very happy when I found out I had to have my parents' permission to be baptized but didn't think it would be an issue. At first my Mom said no, only because the pastor from my church came and spoke to her and told her all kinds of lies. I was very upset because I knew without a doubt that this was the right church. Years later I asked her why she changed her mind and she said because she knew I was so stubborn I'd never speak to her again. She was probably right. In any case it all worked out and she too eventually joined along with all my sibs, all at different times. I don't know if it has been the rule you couldn't have missionary lessons without permission, but certainly the church is very careful when it comes to baptism. What is to stop anyone from telling you about the church anyway. In fact that is how my sister gained a testimony of the church long before she had the missionary lessons, because I told her all about it.
ed2276 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 A worse case scenario for a student that's in my 6th grade CCD RCC class.His mother is a fellow CCD teacher who teaches the four year olds. Born a Catholic and converted to the LDS faith when she married. After having two kids, she returned to her Catholic faith and the marriage is headed for divorce. The 12 y.o. that's in my class has been baptised in the LDS faith at age 8. One week he goes to church with his mom and the next week he goes with his dad. The poor kid is trying to figure out which faith he wants to follow. The only advantage I have is that I can correct common misconceptions that LDS may have in regards to the Catholic faith and I have a good understanding of what he already knows.I would not want to be in his shoes for sure.Why not take the best from both?My fiance is Catholic. I am LDS. I attended mass several times with her. Some of the sermons I heard the priest give were quite good and inspirational (at least the parts of them I could understand, as he switched back and forth between English and Tagalog). And I was almost moved to tears as I watched the congregation line up and receive the sacrament. The thought running through my mind was, "How beautiful! How wonderful! Even though these people aren't of my faith they love the Lord as much as I do and remember Him through their sacrament." I felt the Spirit come over me as I stood there in that Catholic church, just as I have while attending the LDS Church. It's as hard as we wish to make it...or as beneficial.
Yirgacheffe Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 I frankly had the missionary lessons when I was 14 without my parents knowing, only because I didn't think it was a big deal. I was going to a friend's house. I was the only one who went to church anyway and I had no idea it would cause such contention. I wasn't very happy when I found out I had to have my parents' permission to be baptized but didn't think it would be an issue. At first my Mom said no, only because the pastor from my church came and spoke to her and told her all kinds of lies. I was very upset because I knew without a doubt that this was the right church. Years later I asked her why she changed her mind and she said because she knew I was so stubborn I'd never speak to her again. She was probably right. In any case it all worked out and she too eventually joined along with all my sibs, all at different times. I don't know if it has been the rule you couldn't have missionary lessons without permission, but certainly the church is very careful when it comes to baptism. What is to stop anyone from telling you about the church anyway. In fact that is how my sister gained a testimony of the church long before she had the missionary lessons, because I told her all about it.Fourteen year olds think nothing of a great deal of things and they will look into things and that's fine. What I find inappropriate and disrespectful is adults teaching/proselytizing other peoples children without their knowledge and consent even to the point of sneaking around behind the parents backs. I've been thinking about this thread since I first read it, I'm feeling as though I should rethink some of the things I have, until now, been comfortable with.
Deborah Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 even to the point of sneaking around behind the parents backs. I'm not sure it would be sneaking around if the missionaries were invited to someone's home to teach someone. Sneaking around would be having already been told you couldn't do something and then sneaking out and doing it or lying about what you were doing. Quite frankly my mother was never much interested in what we did. We roamed all over town in bare feet. Which is why it was such a surprise when she first said no, which has to be wholly attributed to a pastor making her feel she was wrong in not saying no.
blueadept Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Why not take the best from both?It's as hard as we wish to make it...or as beneficial.I truly hope it works for you and your comment is how I always tried to treat my marriage to my LDS wife. We knew the issues before we married and I thought we dealt with those issues the best we could. Needless to say, I was disappointed with my LDS wife's decision for a civil divorce last year over the religion issue. I hope it works for you. My experience says that you would be better off with one of you converting especially if you're both active in your faiths.My 2 cents
MistyAnn0414 Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I truly hope it works for you and your comment is how I always tried to treat my marriage to my LDS wife. We knew the issues before we married and I thought we dealt with those issues the best we could. Needless to say, I was disappointed with my LDS wife's decision for a civil divorce last year over the religion issue. I hope it works for you. My experience says that you would be better off with one of you converting especially if you're both active in your faiths.My 2 centsI'm so sorry to hear that, it's sad when families are torn apart by religion.
Yirgacheffe Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I'm not sure it would be sneaking around if the missionaries were invited to someone's home to teach someone. Sneaking around would be having already been told you couldn't do something and then sneaking out and doing it or lying about what you were doing. Quite frankly my mother was never much interested in what we did. We roamed all over town in bare feet. Which is why it was such a surprise when she first said no, which has to be wholly attributed to a pastor making her feel she was wrong in not saying no.It may not be sneaking around in your case but it does seem to be in the situations described by Consiglieri and Richard. The fact that a parent is not interested in what the child is doing does not negate the adult teacher/proselytizers' responsibility to inform the parent of what they are doing with their children. On another note, what's wrong with bare feet? I can hardly wait for summer and the casting aside of shoes!! The roaming all over town is a weird concept for me though. Two summers ago my next door neighbor celebrated her 97th birthday. All of her 8 kids, lots of her grandkids and a number of great grandkids were there along with neighbors and a few other families "still in town". Her oldest (I think she was the oldest, there were so many there) told tales of wandering all over town. Even as far as crossing railroad tracks to play with friends who lived on the other side. I told my husband later "I can't even imagine letting my kids do that, it's like Huck Finn or something"!!
Deborah Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 The roaming all over town is a weird concept for me though.Shows how times have changed. We have to keep a tight leash on children now for their own safety. We went all over and this was in California. Of course it was a day when even towns were more rural than they are now.
firepatch36 Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 Both my parents joined against their family's wishes. They each wanted to join when younger teenagers but had to wait until they were 18 since they did not have parental permission. My dad was baptized first and met my mom at her baptism. My dad is the only member in his family, but my mom's mom and brother (plus family) joined.
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