urroner Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 There is a article somewhere that stated that the word "carpenter" when describing what Joseph, the stepfather of Christ, was means something different than somebody who worked with wood. Does anybody know where this article is?
MDalby Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 This may be the article that you were referring to. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635212438/A-mason-and-not-a-carpenter-Possibly-.htmlAlso, BYU Studies had an article years ago on the topic that was very good. I am trying to find that in my files.MD
Blah Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 There is a article somewhere that stated that the word "carpenter" when describing what Joseph, the stepfather of Christ, was means something different than somebody who worked with wood. Does anybody know where this article is?Those familiar with the language spoken by Jesus are acquainted with a metaphorical use of 'carpenter' and 'carpenter's son' in ancient Jewish writings. In Talmudic sayings the Aramaic noun denoting carpenter or craftsman (naggar) stands for a 'scholar' or 'learned man' : 'This is something no carpenter, son of carpenters, can explain.''There is no carpenter, nor a carpenter's son, to explain it'Thus, although no one can be absolutely sure that the sayings cited in the Talmud were current already in first-century AD Galilee, proverbs such as these are likely to be age-old. If so, it is possible that the charming picture of 'Jesus the carpenter' may have to be buried and forgotten. -Geza Vermas, Jesus the Jew: A Historian's Reading of the Gospels, 21-22.
volgadon Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 -Geza Vermas, Jesus the Jew: A Historian's Reading of the Gospels, 21-22.Geza Vermes misinterpreted the talmudic quote. I humbly present this response. http://calba-savua.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-not-this-carpenter.html
volgadon Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 There is a article somewhere that stated that the word "carpenter" when describing what Joseph, the stepfather of Christ, was means something different than somebody who worked with wood. Does anybody know where this article is?A carpenter was someone who worked with wood, stone, and blueprints. A contractor of sorts.
Calm Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Geza Vermes misinterpreted the talmudic quote. I humbly present this response. http://calba-savua.b...-carpenter.htmlYou are so useful to have around.
urroner Posted January 17, 2011 Author Posted January 17, 2011 Geza Vermes misinterpreted the talmudic quote. I humbly present this response. http://calba-savua.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-not-this-carpenter.htmlDude, I humbly bow to you knowledge. I guess I won't be making that point next week in Sunday School about Joseph being a scholar.This is one of the reasons I love this message board. If one can't get past the noise, there is a lot of good knowledge being passed around by members and non-members.
Bill Hamblin Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Geza Vermes misinterpreted the talmudic quote. I humbly present this response. http://calba-savua.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-not-this-carpenter.htmlAwesome!The word in Greek, tekt?n, means craftsman or artisan, and could refer to many types of craftsmen. In the Septuagint, their is mentioned:tekt?n sid?rou = iron smith (1 Sm. 13:19)tekt?n xul?n = wood worker, carpenter (1 Sm. 5:11)tekt?n lith?n = stone worker, mason (1 Sm. 5:11)tekt?n chalkou = bronze worker, bronze caster (1 Kgs. 7:2)It's possible that he was involved in all three--wood, metal and stone.
David Bokovoy Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 You are so useful to have around. Yeah, he corrected me too on that issue, little stinker! Ah what the heck!
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