Unorthodox emergency preparedness

[Vex]

I am a pacifist and adore violence.

I think you wanted abhor and not adore

[thesometimesaint]

Oh ye of little faith. What need do you really have for firearms when as a Priesthood holder all you need do is raise your arms in faith, and whole armies fall down dead?

Modern smoking tobacco is processed with all types of additives to improve its burning characteristics so don't use it internally or for open wounds.

Alcohol is great for starting fires, but as it quickly assumes the temperature of its surroundings, it is actually a heat sink. So don't drink the stuff when it is cold.

[Vex]

Oh ye of little faith. What need do you really have for firearms when as a Priesthood holder all you need do is raise your arms in faith, and whole armies fall down dead?

Modern smoking tobacco is processed with all types of additives to improve its burning characteristics so don't use it internally or for open wounds.

Internal wounds I can agree, though external wounds (such as stings and the like) it works well.

Alcohol is great for starting fires, but as it quickly assumes the temperature of its surroundings, it is actually a heat sink. So don't drink the stuff when it is cold.

This is incorrect in mechanics (but not the end result). Alcohol is a depressant; a muscle relaxant. This means that the vascular system is then relaxed, increasing blood flow to the skin, hands, feet, head, and neck. This in-turns causes body heat to be removed from the blood based on conduction and convection interaction on the skin surface. This gives the person drinking the impression of being hot and does in fact trigger the sweat response and further cools the skin. The net result of this produces a lower core body temperature (never good in a survival issue).

Evaporative effects of alcohol are indeed a heat sink, though with proper application this can be a benefit.*

*Will explain later, but have to head out at the moment.

[todd520]

In times of famine, meat is a more precious commodity than either tobacco or coffee. During the Russian famines in the aftermath of WW2 (e.g. the famine in Povolzhie), people were drawn to horrific extremes to obtain meat, some parents even eating their own children. Dried meat keeps well and is very nutritious, so I would probably store that in preference to these other commodities.

Yikes, that's an ugly story on Povolzhie.

I'll go buy some cans of Protein Powder, which should keep better than dried meat

[volgadon]

Yikes, that's an ugly story on Povolzhie.

Unfortunately it is far from being the only such story. in my wife's family during the Holodomor of 1930s Ukraine, someone ate someone else.

[thesometimesaint]

vex:

Unless someone is allergic to bee stings(My oldest granddaughter in severely allergic to them) I wouldn't say that bee stings are open wounds. Bumps, and bruises, minor scrapes, and the like probably don't either. The modern smoking tobaccos, because of the additives, aren't all that good for medical conditions. Snuff, and the unprocessed kinds may be of some use particularly as dewormers. Modern medicine has since superseded much the need for such. Add in the health concerns of snuff, and smoking tobacco should give anyone pause in its use.

[Truth]

It is just not people outside the church that are a concern. Members have also stated they will be "sharing" of other members storage. Some deliberately don't store items. Another stated we will all show up at church and pool everything together anyway. I have had people give longing and dirty looks when I thought to bring food for long Sundays and they did not, going so far to ask for some.

One Sunday, and we were warned two weeks prior, there was a long Sunday, six hours for all families, a ward and stake reorg with the block, an hour in between and two hours for stake stuff. Some families brought meals, some snacks, and many nothing. My family brought lunches for us. We were promptly descended upon by children from other families that neglected to bring anything or much. We shared some, but I also knew my family would not be starving. Frankly, I was annoyed and appalled, we were warned. The parable of the 10 Virgins applies.

As part of our home and 72 hour storage, firearms are an integral part. I teach my children how to shoot, I hunt. I have a number of military style arms (not for TEOTWAWKI) but because I enjoy them, but I have spare parts and can perform most repairs that could be needed. Joseph Smith said, and I am paraphrasing and can't give the source of the quote for you CFR guys, but basically that a man who won't defend his family is a b@st@rd and something. Not have adequate means to do so is the same IMHO. So is not having storage and water purifying capabilities. I pray I never have to lift my hand in such a way and God will deliver me from such, but if not, a man has to do for his family as he must.

Not judging anyone at all, it has taken me many years to get to the level I have and still working on it. Heading to the cannery tonight. There have been more stories of increasing shortages of basics, Financial Times, CNBC, etc.

Don't forget lots of toilet paper.

[Vex]

vex:

Unless someone is allergic to bee stings(My oldest granddaughter in severely allergic to them) I wouldn't say that bee stings are open wounds. Bumps, and bruises, minor scrapes, and the like probably don't either. The modern smoking tobaccos, because of the additives, aren't all that good for medical conditions. Snuff, and the unprocessed kinds may be of some use particularly as dewormers. Modern medicine has since superseded much the need for such. Add in the health concerns of snuff, and smoking tobacco should give anyone pause in its use.

I didn't see anyone recommending uses of tobacco for open wounds in the first place (though I have been known to omit certain posts on accident as I'm reading). As for using tobacco besides an 'absorbent' or wound 'dressing' (I use that term loosely as internal usage I do not think is applicable)I'm not aware of any usage for internal application--though I'm open to such uses if you know of any.

As for an additional use of alcohol (as previously promised): Alcohol can help in water storage, especially in cold environments. You can use a small quantity of alcohol to keep water in a liquid state and keep from freezing over. This keeps you from having to expend body heat or fuel in turning the ice to liquid and keeps you hydrated (you can look to a specific top gear episode for another application).

edit: Apparently youtube tags don't work. Here's a link to the top gear segment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFuYJ90BC0Y

[Stargazer]

Oh ye of little faith. What need do you really have for firearms when as a Priesthood holder all you need do is raise your arms in faith, and whole armies fall down dead?

Whereas I have heard of many applications of priesthood power, that is one that seems never to have been documented. Even Samson still had to use the jawbone of a certain horse-like animal as an implement in slaying whole armies.

Edited to overcome software's confusion over the meaning of "a s s".

[Stargazer]

As part of our home and 72 hour storage, firearms are an integral part. I teach my children how to shoot, I hunt. I have a number of military style arms (not for TEOTWAWKI) but because I enjoy them, but I have spare parts and can perform most repairs that could be needed. Joseph Smith said, and I am paraphrasing and can't give the source of the quote for you CFR guys, but basically that a man who won't defend his family is a b@st@rd and something. Not have adequate means to do so is the same IMHO. So is not having storage and water purifying capabilities. I pray I never have to lift my hand in such a way and God will deliver me from such, but if not, a man has to do for his family as he must.

Don't know about Joseph Smith, but...

47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto

bloodshed. Alma 43:47

[volgadon]

Whereas I have heard of many applications of priesthood power, that is one that seems never to have been documented. Even Samson still had to use the jawbone of a certain horse-like animal as an implement in slaying whole armies.

Edited to overcome software's confusion over the meaning of "a s s".

Elijah had a fairly good run himself.

[thesometimesaint]

Vex:

One way to make apple brandy is place unpasteurized apple juice in a large container, and leave it out over night in freezing weather.

[Vex]

Vex:

One way to make apple brandy is place unpasteurized apple juice in a large container, and leave it out over night in freezing weather.

That's good to know. I guess you don't use yeast but let the bacterial content perform the fermentation (similar to older forms of alcohol production)?

[thesometimesaint]

Vex:

While domesticated yeasts can be used(I even recommend using them if someone is going to make the stuff). There are plenty of wild yeasts on the fruit and in the air to do the job. Though I can't guarantee how good the stuff will taste.

[Vex]

I can't imagine it would taste very well. My impression of wine (by smell--if that's any indication) is that of grape scented feet. Though I'm more interested in a distiller, which can further double as a water purifier.

[thesometimesaint]

Vex:

There are some very good distillers available or can be constructed from lab equipment. Production quantities are rather limited. So you probably wouldn't run afoul of the ATF(check first). But don't try to sell the stuff without the proper licenses.

I don't know but theoretically it should run in any internal-combustion engine. Now that is an interesting idea make your own fuel at home.

[nicolasconnault]

Vex:

There are some very good distillers available or can be constructed from lab equipment. Production quantities are rather limited. So you probably wouldn't run afoul of the ATF(check first). But don't try to sell the stuff without the proper licenses.

I don't know but theoretically it should run in any internal-combustion engine. Now that is an interesting idea make your own fuel at home.

Ethanol from canola?

[thesometimesaint]

nicolasconnault:

Almost ANY grain, or starch can be used. Distillers grains can be used as animal feed or can used for human consumption. Though I understand it is a acquired taste.

[Stargazer]

That's good to know. I guess you don't use yeast but let the bacterial content perform the fermentation (similar to older forms of alcohol production)?

Several weeks ago I left a container of apple cider (unpasteurized) sit in a fridge until today, inadvertantly, and today when I opened the now distended plastic bottle, it was definitely "hard" cider.