consiglieri Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 I have long thought that belief in the Rapture by some Christians to be based on one part tenuous Bible precedent and nine parts wishful thinking.Imagine my surprise, then, while reading secton 45 of the Doctrine and Covenants last night only to find the concept of the Rapture (though still not the actual name!) set forth more clearly there than in the Bible.The passage below is quoting the words of Jesus while in mortality to his disciples:D&C 45:44 And then they shall look for me, and, behold, I will come; and they shall see me in the clouds of heaven, clothed with power and great glory; with all the holy angels; and he that watches not for me shall be cut off. 45 But before the arm of the Lord shall fall, an angel shall sound his trump, and the saints that have slept shall come forth to meet me in the cloud. 46 Wherefore, if ye have slept in peace blessed are you; for as you now behold me and know that I am, even so shall ye come unto me and your souls shall live, and your redemption shall be perfected; and the saints shall come forth from the four quarters of the earth. 47 Then shall the arm of the Lord fall upon the nations. 48 And then shall the Lord set his foot upon this mount, and it shall cleave in twain, and the earth shall tremble, and reel to and fro, and the heavens also shall shake. Is this something we should be teaching in Church?More importantly, should Mormons start sporting clever bumper stickers?All the Best!--Consiglieri
urroner Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 In the typical mainstream Christian church, What is meant by the Rapture? What is the purpose of the Rapture? When does the Rapture occur?What happens after the Rapture?Do Mormons believe in anything like what happened in the "Left Behind" movie series?
volgadon Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 I have heard it taught. A key difference though is that here it seems to be talking about the righteous who shall be raised from the dead.
cdowis Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 This will happen after the Millenium, not before, according to McConkie.
David T Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 My understanding:The LDS understanding is that the righteous saints meet the Lord in the air, and then descend with the Lord back to Earth.It's not a case of rescuing the living saints from the tribulation to come, and 'leaving behind' the wicked. The wicked (which is not equal to non-Mormon) will be 'burned' at the coming glory of the Lord and His Hosts.
Zakuska Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 It could be argued that it is a foundational teaching...Moroni 1034 And now I bid unto all, farewell. I soon go to rest in the paradise of God, until my spirit and body shall again reunite, and I am brought forth triumphant through the air, to meet you before the pleasing bar of the great Jehovah, the Eternal Judge of both quick and dead. Amen.
David T Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 From Gospel Principles 2009, the Chapter on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ:He will usher in the Millennium. The Millennium is the thousand-year period when Jesus will reign on the earth. The righteous will be caught up to meet Jesus at His coming (see D&C 88:96). His coming will begin the millennial reign. He will complete the First Resurrection. Those who have obtained the privilege of coming forth in the resurrection of the just will rise from their graves. They will be caught up to meet the Savior as He comes down from heaven. (See D&C 88:97
Zakuska Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 All I can say... is if you see a bunch of blue lights fall out of the sky...http://www.iamrogue.com/skylineRUN!
Jason Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 This isn't quite the Rapture as tought by evangelicals, and it is taught in the Church.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 The believers in Christ will be caught up at His coming. The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine straight from the pit of hell.
seriously honestly Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 The believers in Christ will be caught up at His coming. The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine straight from the pit of hell.You can believe it's a false doctrine if you want, but saying it's "straight form the pit of hell" is a bit much when you're talking about a doctrine that has absoultly zero impact on ones salvation. In the Christian community you can believe it (pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-tirb) or deny it altoghter; it doesn't matter either way.
Zakuska Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 You can believe it's a false doctrine if you want, but saying it's "straight form the pit of hell" is a bit much when you're talking about a doctrine that has absoultly zero impact on ones salvation. In the Christian community you can believe it (pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-tirb) or deny it altoghter; it doesn't matter either way.Yet Ive seen some try and exclude LDS from the Christian umbrella on the basis of the Rapture.
David T Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 Yet Ive seen some try and exclude LDS from the Christian umbrella on the basis of the Rapture.It's most likely just the excuse of the hour for those individuals, and would quickly fall back to another. Hence this thread, where I'm trying to understand those who say there are Biblical assertions as to what proactive beliefs will disqualify one from Salvation.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 You can believe it's a false doctrine if you want, but saying it's "straight form the pit of hell" is a bit much when you're talking about a doctrine that has absoultly zero impact on ones salvation. In the Christian community you can believe it (pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-tirb) or deny it altoghter; it doesn't matter either way.It is a satanic doctrine that is diametrically opposed to the concept of Zion and all that it entails. Interestingly, "pre-trib rapture" originated about the same time the Church was being restored and the Lord was about to re-reveal the concept of Zion.
seriously honestly Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 Yet Ive seen some try and exclude LDS from the Christian umbrella on the basis of the Rapture.I really don't know what to tell you, Zak, other then they shouldn't. The ratpture is one of those doctrines that can go either way without changing the gospel message, affecting salvation, or changing how Christians should relate to others. In short, if it happens it happens and if it doesn't, then it doesn't.
seriously honestly Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 It is a satanic doctrine that is diametrically opposed to the concept of Zion and all that it entails. Interestingly, "pre-trib rapture" originated about the same time the Church was being restored and the Lord was about to re-reveal the concept of Zion.It can't "oppose the concept of Zion" because it has no affet on salvation at all--none, zilch, zero. You can believe it or not believe it; it doesn't matter and it doesn't change where you stand with Christ.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 I really don't know what to tell you, Zak, other then they shouldn't. The ratpture is one of those doctrines that can go either way without changing the gospel message, affecting salvation, or changing how Christians relate to others. In short, if it happens it happens and if it doesn't, then it doesn't.When the rapture does not happen, watch and see how many current "believers" turn against Jesus and His followers when things get tough. This false doctrine will have more detrimental affect then you realize.
consiglieri Posted November 16, 2010 Author Posted November 16, 2010 The believers in Christ will be caught up at His coming. The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine straight from the pit of hell.Then what are we to make of the fact D&C 45 states the saints will be caught up right before "the arm of the Lord falls"?And this phrase (and timing) is used not once, but twice.If "the arm of the Lord falling" doesn't cause "tribulation" on those remaining on the earth, what does it mean?And why does the Lord call the saints to heaven to meet him right before it happens?All the Best!--Consiglieri
David T Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 ( Notes that BookofMormonLuvr is not LDS, and is not expressing an LDS viewpoint)
consiglieri Posted November 16, 2010 Author Posted November 16, 2010 It is a satanic doctrine that is diametrically opposed to the concept of Zion and all that it entails. Interestingly, "pre-trib rapture" originated about the same time the Church was being restored and the Lord was about to re-reveal the concept of Zion.It looks like the Lord gave a little nod to the "pre-trib rapture" in D&C 45.All the Best!--Consiglieri
bluebell Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 Then what are we to make of the fact D&C 45 states the saints will be caught up right before "the arm of the Lord falls"?And this phrase (and timing) is used not once, but twice.If "the arm of the Lord falling" doesn't cause "tribulation" on those remaining on the earth, what does it mean?And why does the Lord call the saints to heaven to meet him right before it happens?All the Best!--ConsiglieriD&C 45 is only talking about dead saints. Isn't that a major difference from the protestant rapture?
consiglieri Posted November 16, 2010 Author Posted November 16, 2010 ( Notes that BookofMormonLuvr is not LDS, and is not expressing an LDS viewpoint)Thank God.
seriously honestly Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 When the rapture does not happen, watch and see how many current "believers" turn against Jesus and His followers when things get tough. This false doctrine will have more detrimental affect then you realize.If those who believe in a rapture turn from Christ and His believes over a non-essential doctrine, I would seriously question their faith in Christ. Personally, if it doesn't happen, it wouldn't phase me. I've commited myself to Christ and placed my trust and faith in Him for my salvation; not when or if the rapture happens.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 It can't "oppose the concept of Zion" because it has no affet on salvation at all--none, zilch, zero. You can believe it or not believe it; it doesn't matter and it doesn't change where you stand with Christ.Part of the concept of Zion is to build up your communities and beautify the earth preparing it for the Second Coming of Christ. If you believe you are going to escape you begin to lack urgency in making necessary physical preparation. When the unprepared rapturist comes up against the horrors of the Last Days, he will be like all men lifting his sword against his neighbor to eat instead of fleeing to the refuge that will be Zion (New Jerusalem).
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted November 16, 2010 Posted November 16, 2010 It looks like the Lord gave a little nod to the "pre-trib rapture" in D&C 45.All the Best!--ConsiglieriIt is not quite the same as the saints spoken of in D&C were/are* dead.*Depends on what time were talking about, the future or the present.
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