Horses, Horses, Where are the Horses?

[Chris Smith]

And very biased as she has a tendency to ignore anything that doesn't agree with her biases. Search her posts on this board. If your really interested do your own search. If your not then it makes no difference to me.

Her page on horses covers virtually every single archaeological horse-citation I have seen from the apologists. She may well be selective in the sense that she only replies to posts that have some baseline level of substance or plausibility, but I don't think she can seriously be accused of selectivity in dealing with the published evidence.

[Scottie]

Really, Juliann?? YOU, of all people, are lecturing beastie about preconceived notions??? The leader of the "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" mantra is accusing beastie of preconceived notions???

Wow. Just..... wow.

In all my dealings with beastie, she is, in my opinion, the most intellectually honest among us all. If there were a valid refutation of post-Pleistocene horses or elephants, she would be the first to acknowledge it.

It may very well be that the archeologists are expecting to find 10,000 year old bones, and therefore assume them to be such. But, until an archeologist actually brings forth substantial evidence to suggest this, it's just wishful thinking for the apologists.

Oh, and thank you, Zak for accepting this new information. I respect that.

[bizabra]

bizabra:

The wheel was certainly known in Mesoamerica.

http://www.precolumbianwheels.com/

Big an wide are both relative terms.

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/latinamerica/topics/roads.html

BIZ: Yes, of course the wheel was known, I KNEW that! But from your own link:

The principle of the wheel was known to ancient Americans, but in the absence of suitable draft animals had no economic importance. Cihuat

[Bob Crockett]

Bravo. You caught a typo. Well played.

At least you admit your sources are laughed at by mainstream scientists.

I don't think two completely botched cites constitute one typo.

Any, my question to you remains unanswered. I don't think much of the Cave book for reasons I have specified, and I asked you to provide me the names and credentials of the authors of the essay you are quoting. You HAVE the book, I presume? Or do I presume too much?

I think there is more to Fell (Harvard) and Gordon (Brandeis) and Farley (I think, Harvard) that you are willing to credit.

And you still have no response to my observation that Gavin Menzies thinks the Nez Perce horse stock predates Columbus. I mean, a lot could be said in response.

[bizabra]

Good work!

You have indisputably proven that the Aztec Empire existed in what is now Mexico.

Therefore, the Book of Mormon is true.

Would you mind supplying that middle term that I'm missing?

BIZ: They had "major" roads, they just weren't "big and wide" as they would be for wheeled travel. They were mainly footpaths. Of course, there WERE large roads in the cities, for ceremonial purposes. The roads between cities were footpaths.

[beastie]

I don't think two completely botched cites constitute one typo.

Any, my question to you remains unanswered. I don't think much of the Cave book for reasons I have specified, and I asked you to provide me the names and credentials of the authors of the essay you are quoting. You HAVE the book, I presume? Or do I presume too much?

I think there is more to Fell (Harvard) and Gordon (Brandeis) and Farley (I think, Harvard) that you are willing to credit.

And you still have no response to my observation that Gavin Menzies thinks the Nez Perce horse stock predates Columbus. I mean, a lot could be said in response.

I already provided the credentials of the author above:

Dr. Joaqu

[beastie]

I did not return momentarily to this board to enter pointless, endless,

[stYro]

What is the general theory of believers on the issue of horses in the BoM?

Well I'm not what one would call a "believer", but this might be of interest to some:

Back in the 1970's I read in a Baton Rouge newspaper an account of horse bones being found during an excavation in southern Louisiana. My recollection is that the excavation was on Avery Island (where Tabasco is produced). The article said the bones had been carbon-dated as 800 years old. I certainly don't expect my memory of this article to prove anything to anyone, but as I said it might be of interest to some.

stYro

[Scottie]

Well I'm not what one would call a "believer", but this might be of interest to some:

Back in the 1970's I read in a Baton Rouge newspaper an account of horse bones being found during an excavation in southern Louisiana. My recollection is that the excavation was on Avery Island (where Tabasco is produced). The article said the bones had been carbon-dated as 800 years old. I certainly don't expect my memory of this article to prove anything to anyone, but as I said it might be of interest to some.

stYro

Without an actual article to go from, this is hard to comment on.

[stYro]

Without an actual article to go from, this is hard to comment on.

Yes, my recollection could be faulty or the article could have been in error. I believe it appeared in the Baton Rouge Morning Advocate newspaper, in late 1971 or 1972.

I did a quick Google search of "horse bones carbon date Louisiana", and found something interesting at this site. Scroll down to the January 2008 entry. Not confirmation of the article I was talking about however.

stYro