Lehi followed the Fraknesense trail

[Zakuska]

Darn I missed this one... Im going to have to order the DVDS

"Do I look like Mother Teresa?" asked Kate Humble in the doorway of a Yemen boutique, her freshly purchased abaya flapping like an anxious windsock. We took a moment to consider the evidence. The crisp headgear, the toothiness, the indefatigable twinkle: hmm, we thought, as the presenter wandered off to talk to a gaggle of onlookers. Is there a right way to tell someone she's a dead ringer for a deceased Albanian nun but

[handys003]

Darn I missed this one... Im going to have to order the DVDS

http://www.guardian....se-trail-review

http://www.nephiproject.com

Yes you should order the 6 part DVD's "Discovering Lehi's Trail" very informative and linked with scriptures to understand the topography and sites located in relevance to the trail. If you order it now the Nephi Project includes the "Peru: Land of the BoM" for free. Also I highly suggest ordering the DVD "The People of Lehi" which includes more about Dedan and it's temple ruins, baptismal fonts, the people at Dedan changing thier name to Lehynites, and writings on the canyon walls. Well worth the money and much more correct than Hiltons version presented by the Maxwell Institute. Sorry all you Hilton fans he does a decent job, but Potter and Sedor do a much better presentation of the case.

[Zakuska]

Yes you should order the 6 part DVD's "Discovering Lehi's Trail" very informative and linked with scriptures to understand the topography and sites located in relevance to the trail. If you order it now the Nephi Project includes the "Peru: Land of the BoM" for free. Also I highly suggest ordering the DVD "The People of Lehi" which includes more about Dedan and it's temple ruins, baptismal fonts, the people at Dedan changing thier name to Lehynites, and writings on the canyon walls. Well worth the money and much more correct than Hiltons version presented by the Maxwell Institute. Sorry all you Hilton fans he does a decent job, but Potter and Sedor do a much better presentation of the case.

I have the book and the 5 of the VHS. Ive been wanting to get the last 2 videos... the second jaredite and the Saiani. But havent yet.

I may just break down and get the DVD. The reason I found this intresting is it cooberates what George Potter was saying that Lehi paid his way across Saudi Arabi... posibly by teaching or maybe with the gold they had.. One thing Ive wanted to do is get some of the city names place names given in the BOM account and pin point them on the map more closely.

[John Larsen]

Not only that, but the Jaredites followed the silk route. How could Joseph had known that?

[Zakuska]

Im dying... How?

[handys003]

Im dying... How?

Moi as well! Where can we get the info? Are you talking overland through China or by sea sailing east from Bountiful?

[handys003]

I have the book and the 5 of the VHS. Ive been wanting to get the last 2 videos... the second jaredite and the Saiani. But havent yet.

I may just break down and get the DVD. The reason I found this intresting is it cooberates what George Potter was saying that Lehi paid his way across Saudi Arabi... posibly by teaching or maybe with the gold they had.. One thing Ive wanted to do is get some of the city names place names given in the BOM account and pin point them on the map more closely.

Trust me. breakown and get those DVD's as pic quality will be better and pausing for your mapping will be way better. Plus you get the free DVD I mentioned anyway. You need to get the other DVD I mentioned. Dedan will blow you away.

[Olavarria]

Joseph didn't know; thats the whole point.

[John Larsen]

Moi as well! Where can we get the info? Are you talking overland through China or by sea sailing east from Bountiful?

Its sort of obvious. They went east and passed by many waters. The obvious route would be by the silk road. It would be up to the critics to prove that they didn't follow this route, which they can't do. Furthermore, does anybody have an proof that Joseph had even heard of the silk route? The idea that they would travel East across the land would be too absurd to put into the book if he were just making things up.

[thesometimesaint]

John Larsen:

If the Jaredites followed the Silk Road, and recorded significant physical details, including accurate descriptions of China. Then we would say that yes the Jaredites did follow it. We have no such description for the Jaredite, but we do for the Lehites.

[Zakuska]

John Larsen:

If the Jaredites followed the Silk Road, and recorded significant physical details, including accurate descriptions of China. Then we would say that yes the Jaredites did follow it. We have no such description for the Jaredite, but we do for the Lehites.

Jaradites with Mongloid DNA?! Who would have thunk it!

[thesometimesaint]

Zakuska:

Probably Asiatic, but I don't know what if any mongoloid DNA would come into the Jaredite DNA. JS probably did not know anything about DNA either.

http://www.cometozarahemla.org/jaredites/world-of-jaredites.html

Who were these Jaredites?

The record tells us that Jared and his people came from the land of "the great tower, at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people" (Ether 1:33). The Bible tells us that this was the beginning of all cultures: "So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth" (Genesis 11:. What were these people like. From this beginning came the Mongols, the Blacks, the Egyptians, the Hebrews, and all other races. Did these Jaredites resemble any of these known historical cultures?

Throughout the record their cultural peculiarities, their strange practices of government, and the manner of their warfare give these people away. Their whole history is a struggle for power. Dr. Nibley says that "it is a strange, savage picture of nightmare politics that the book of Ether paints, but it is historically a profoundly true picture."(3)

We first meet these people as they depart the land of the tower and go "down into the valley which is northward." There's no sneaking out of town. All the friends and relatives are invited to come. They bring their "flocks of every kind." They even "prepare a vessel, in which they did carry with them the fish of the waters" (Ether 2:2). And they make special mention of a most important passenger, deseret.

Dr. Hugh Nibley says, "By all odds the most interesting and attractive passenger in Jared's company is deseret, the honeybee." He points out that "our text betrays an interest in deseret that goes far beyond respect for the feat of transporting insects." The implication of Moroni's statement that desert, "by interpretation is a honeybee," (Ether 2:3) strongly suggests that this is a word right out of the Jaredite language. If so, it's the only Jaredite word we have been given other that proper nouns. What was the importance of this word? Did the honeybee have some special cultural significance at the time of the Tower of Babel, or was this a purely Jaredite thing? Dr. Nibley Continues:

Now it is a remarkable coincidence that the word deseret, or something very close to it [dsrt], enjoyed a position of ritual prominence among the founders of the classical Egyptian civilization, who associated it very closely with the symbol of the bee. . . Chief among their cult objects would seem to be the bee, for the land they first settled in Egypt was forever after known as "the land of the bee," and was designated in hieroglyphic by the picture of a bee, while every king of Egypt "in his capacity of `King of Upper and Lower Egypt' " bore the title, "he who belongs to the sedge [a plant of upper Egypt] and the bee."(4)

They were directed by the Lord to "go forth into the wilderness, yea into that quarter where there never had man been" (Ether 2:5). They built barges on which to cross "many waters." They continued until they came to "that great sea which divideth the lands." They remained on the seashore for four years during which time they constructed eight vessels for crossing the sea.

Also A Classic Oriental Culture

Dr. Nibley's introduction to his discussion of these people and their culture is instructive:

The book of Ether is a typical ancient chronicle, a military and political history relieved by casual references to the wealth and splendor of kings. . . The whole structure of Jaredite history hangs on a succession of strong men, most of them rather terrible figures. Few annals of equal terseness and brevity are freighted with an equal burden of wickedness. The pages of Ether are dark with intrigue and violence, strictly of the Asiatic brand.(5)

Throughout the Jaredite history the desire of strong men for power and riches is the dominant theme. This is the classic Asian pattern. Nibley comment, "All observers of the Asiatic system have commented on the dedicated zeal with which the men of the steppes devote themselves to two objectives

[handys003]

John Larsen:

If the Jaredites followed the Silk Road, and recorded significant physical details, including accurate descriptions of China. Then we would say that yes the Jaredites did follow it. We have no such description for the Jaredite, but we do for the Lehites.

Well your confusing me a bit. The "Silk Road" only dates back to 1000 BCE and Jaredites were around 2200 to 2500 BCE. Your talking a millennium off here. I'm also looking for any papers that support your theory

[Zakuska]

Here is a good find:

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

So the best candidate for Nephi's sea port Sumhram (of Roman and Greek Renown) called Korh Rori today. Carbon dates to about the 4th century BC. Thats not to far off Nephis time. They do say the city was well established and rich by that date. So was founded Prior to 400BC. A temple was also built and used in the 1st century of the settlements existance.

[handys003]

Here is a good find:

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

So the best candidate for Nephi's sea port Sumerian (of Roman and Greek Renown) called Korh Rori today. Carbon dates to about the 4th century BC. Thats not to far off Nephis time. They do say the city was well established and rich by that date. So was founded Prior to 400BC. A temple was also built and used in the 1st century of the settlements existance.

Correct as that is Potters and Sedors claim. Unless you subscribe to the Nephi Project newsletter I cannnot link the article disputinting Astons assertion. I am copying an article from theat newsletter. Sorry if it takes up space, but thought it might be of interst to you.

Khor Kharfot is not Nephi

[handys003]

Crud his site won't let me post a pic of the ancient technique of their shipbuilding

[handys003]

Aloso another good article explaining that Nephi didn't build a raft.

Nephi Did Not Build a Raft

By George Potter

In last month

[Zakuska]

Crud his site won't let me post a pic of the ancient technique of their shipbuilding

I think I saw that one, they basically "Sewed" their planks together.

[handys003]

I think I saw that one, they basically "Sewed" their planks together.

No actually this was more towards an almost completed hull (frontal view)! Sorry brah. I'll try emailing the link.

[Wiki Wonka]

Here is a good find:

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

So the best candidate for Nephi's sea port Sumhram (of Roman and Greek Renown) called Korh Rori today. Carbon dates to about the 4th century BC. Thats not to far off Nephis time. They do say the city was well established and rich by that date. So was founded Prior to 400BC. A temple was also built and used in the 1st century of the settlements existance.

So I looked at that site and found this rather interesting plaque: Votive plaque

[Zakuska]

So I looked at that site and found this rather interesting plaque: Votive plaque

Yes. That was actually found in the temple complex along with several other plates of metal with writings on them.

[Anijen]

Yes. That was actually found in the temple complex along with several other plates of metal with writings on them.

CFR what temple complex was that. I don't doubt you just so interesting I want to read more about it.

[Zakuska]

The Temple complex is talked about here.

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

A temple extra muros was built along the wadi Darbat, used in the first centuries of occupation of the site and after abandoned. Three structures, apparently connected with agricultural activities, were placed outside the city-wall, north-east from the city. Places connected with burial practise have been individuated in the natural outcrop in front of the city.

But now that I look closer it may be a bad translation. There are several places the Paragraphs don't read well in english, which leads me to suspect its a translation issue. Isn't there a name for seeing what you want to see in something? Confirmation Bias.

Also George Potter had a write up about the Plaque in question. I'll see if I can find a link.

http://www.nephiproject.com/Newsletter/George%20Plates.pdf

[Anijen]

The Temple complex is talked about here.

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

But now that I look closer it may be a bad translation. There are several places the Paragraphs don't read well in english, which leads me to suspect its a translation issue. Isn't there a name for seeing what you want to see in something? Confirmation Bias.

Also George Potter had a write up about the Plaque in question. I'll see if I can find a link.

http://www.nephiproject.com/Newsletter/George%20Plates.pdf

Wow, that is an awesome find.

[handys003]

The Temple complex is talked about here.

http://arabiantica.h...ndex.php?id=772

But now that I look closer it may be a bad translation. There are several places the Paragraphs don't read well in english, which leads me to suspect its a translation issue. Isn't there a name for seeing what you want to see in something? Confirmation Bias.

Also George Potter had a write up about the Plaque in question. I'll see if I can find a link.

http://www.nephiproj...ge%20Plates.pdf

Bruddah that is just freaking awesome. I can't believe I didn't see that on the website. How did you locate it on the website por favor?