More Iron Mining

[Heathen]

I just spent a few minutes looking at your three horse link photos. Where in the photos exactly should one look to see horses? I see a guy pointing at a rock wall with a caption stating that he's pointing at horses. Do we need to use our "spiritual eyes" to see them?

[Zakuska]

The Pictures I posted above is John Lund showing the stone to those who have taken the LDS tours and heard he and the Non-LDS tour guides speak about the inscription.

I have a better picture of it I scanned in from his book, as well as the whole chapter, Im in the process of doing an OCR on the images I scanned in from his book.

But Ive attached the image of the stone. A photo of this stone was oringinally published in the Improvement Era in December of 1955.

[jadams_4242]

I still thought the article was very interesting. I've never given much thought to rocks and minerals, and hadn't even made the connection between red ochre and iron (although it seems entirely obvious now--duh!) It's funny how something can be considered wonderful and useful in one place, and such an annoyance in others (like that "dirty orange bathtub ring" at the cabin!)

With the exception there probably wouldnt be a cabin had it not been for that red stuff!

[Heathen]

The Pictures I posted above is John Lund showing the stone to those who have taken the LDS tours and heard he and the Non-LDS tour guides speak about the inscription.

I have a better picture of it I scanned in from his book, as well as the whole chapter, Im in the process of doing an OCR on the images I scanned in from his book.

But Ive attached the image of the stone. A photo of this stone was oringinally published in the Improvement Era in December of 1955.

Thanks, that's much clearer. I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that the animal depicted is a small horse. Why do you think this stone carving hasn't helped archeologists and historians revise their ideas about the lack of horses in the pre-Columbian Mesoamerican societies?

Some answers that come immediately to my mind:

The pic appears to depict a person standing on the same ground as the animal. That person's waist is at the same level as the animal's back, making the animal appear rather small. It could be a llama.

It could be a mythical animal.

I can understand a TBM not having a problem seeing this as a horse. I appreciate that most pre-Columbian sites have not been explored, but researchers do know a heck of a lot about pre-Columbian societies. For some reason enough evidence to conclude horses were present hasn't emerged. I'll be glad to eat crow over a couple of root beers if they ever do.

If you'd care to answer, I am pretty curious why you think non-LDS historians still rule horses out in pre-Columbian societies?

[Zakuska]

They're finally coming around... did you read the Atlantic article I linked earlier... the NON-LDS Mainstream archeologist.... Kelley (They guy who helped decipher the Mayan Language) conseeds that some of Bill Fells finds are genuine Celtic artifacts. So are you telling me these Vikings who brought pigs, cattle, chickens and Horses to Vinland (aka THE NEW WORLD) that number up to 80,000 in our day and age... and ventured as far south as Mexico to get Peppers and export them back to Sweden made the trip without the benefit of Horses and pack animals?

I have a Chapter in Lunds new book Id like to share with everyone as soon as I check the typing and such I'll post a link.

PS. It could be a shetlan pony too... those fit real well in compact boats. (A horse is a Horse of Course of Course)

[Heathen]

They're finally coming around... did you read the Atlantic article I linked earlier... the NON-LDS Mainstream archeologist.... Kelley (They guy who helped decipher the Mayan Language) conseeds that some of Bill Fells finds are genuine Celtic artifacts. So are you telling me these Vikings who brought pigs, cattle, chickens and Horses to Vinland (aka THE NEW WORLD) that number up to 80,000 in our day and age... and ventured as far south as Mexico to get Peppers and export them back to Sweden made the trip without the benefit of Horses and pack animals?

I have a Chapter in Lunds new book Id like to share with everyone as soon as I check the typing and such I'll post a link.

PS. It could be a shetlan pony too... those fit real well in compact boats. (A horse is a Horse of Course of Course)

Which link is to the Atlantic article? This author has some radical ideas:

http://www.nylicsocialworkeramazonas.com/id4.html

Maybe I'll have to read the Atlantic article to follow what you're talking about. I'm at a little of a loss to understand how the radical idea of Vikings bringing horses to Mexico after landing in Vinland could account for BOM horses, as the timming would be quite a bit off.