Predestination And Titus

[urroner]

lynn:

sorry wasn't aware that LDS have no imagination...i suppose that proves that Joseph Smith must really have seen God HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok just kidding

you and i have danced this several million times now and i don't see that i am getting through. But you are looking nice tonight in your goat-costume so what's one more tango?

Man chooses willfully to sin and rebel against God, you demand equal mercy from God toward all but why should that be? God can not be blamed for man's sin. Your argument of "but He ain't doing nuttin about it" does not erase man's guilt before a holy judge

forgive me for using the story of noah, but i believe the account to be true. Let's assume a population of 1 million souls at the time. God predicted the flood 120 years before it happened (pre-destination or just luck) for those 120 years and scores of years earlier under Enoch, the word was preached and ignored. 8 were saved out of that million. The majority of those drowned heard the preaching and rejected it. Do you blame God for their rejection of His 120 years of mercy? Then you have Him unjustly murdering those people. The issue is not "God should have saved them" the issue is "are they guilty in their sin before God and is death the righteous penalty"

again, sorry it ain't a comfortable teaching, but no religion, including your own, is devoid of difficult and thorny truths

Why did they reject the message? Could they have accepted it unless God called them? God placed them on a path that they couldn't get off of until He called them off that path, even if they wanted off the path.

God had placed them in a deep pit with the walls too steep for them to simply climb out without help from God. Even if they tried their whole life, they couldn't get out of the pit unless God came down, grabbed them, and hauled them out. Time goes one, God comes down one day and notices that they are still down in the pit, even though He had sent a prophet to them who yelled at them to get out of the pit else God was going to kill them. God decides that these are evil creatures, well He made them that way, that they deserve to die because they refused to get out of the pit, even though He had made it impossible for them to get out unless He did all the work getting them out, so He kills them and He does it out of love. Am I too far off on this scenario?

Like I said, that's a funny kind of love, but I guess that God's love, like God, in totally incomprehensible.

BTW, Joseph Smith wasn't a Mormon at the time of the Vision so he did have an imagination. He lost it on April 6, 1830 when the Church was organized.

[captain-jack]

lynn:

sorry wasn't aware that LDS have no imagination...i suppose that proves that Joseph Smith must really have seen God HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok just kidding

you and i have danced this several million times now and i don't see that i am getting through. But you are looking nice tonight in your goat-costume so what's one more tango?

Man chooses willfully to sin and rebel against God, you demand equal mercy from God toward all but why should that be? God can not be blamed for man's sin. Your argument of "but He ain't doing nuttin about it" does not erase man's guilt before a holy judge

forgive me for using the story of noah, but i believe the account to be true. Let's assume a population of 1 million souls at the time. God predicted the flood 120 years before it happened (pre-destination or just luck) for those 120 years and scores of years earlier under Enoch, the word was preached and ignored. 8 were saved out of that million. The majority of those drowned heard the preaching and rejected it. Do you blame God for their rejection of His 120 years of mercy? Then you have Him unjustly murdering those people. The issue is not "God should have saved them" the issue is "are they guilty in their sin before God and is death the righteous penalty"

again, sorry it ain't a comfortable teaching, but no religion, including your own, is devoid of difficult and thorny truths

Why would God judge them when they were predestined to that, claiming that He gave them over 100 years to repent, but oh wait, predestination prevented them from that. So it's like tell a train to jump the tracks, that's the only way to not go off the cliff, then saying it was the train's fault for not changing course.

Seems totally fair to me to set up a loaded situation then punish those who had no choice or power in the situation. Now that is justice.

[SteubieU]

Calvanistsic leaning Evans beleive it.

Mormons beleive in "forordination" similar but slightly different.

Ah yes, and don't forget Catholics as well. We believe in predestination.