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A View Into Utah Polygamy - Ida Hunt Udall


John Corrill

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Juliann: Couldn't possibly be because they believed it was the right thing to do and were willing to make the sacrifice.

John Corrill: I think this is exactly why they did it. Trusting their religious leaders, they were led to believe that this was the "right thing to do". They certainly didn't do it because they wanted to or preferred it or liked it. [statement edited out by John Corrill due to moderators warning]

Juliann: So we are back to the dead and dumb excuse, eh...What explains it, John? They had bigger brains?

John Corrill: I would like to request the moderator take some action on Juliann's continued attempt to infer that I characterize polygamists as dumb or small brained, when quite the contrary is true.

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John Corrill: I think this is exactly why they did it. Trusting their religious leaders, they were led to believe that this was the "right thing to do".

So they were lying when they said they had their own witness? Is that what you are saying? What happened to letting them speak for themselves?

  Only religious coercion has the power to induce people into polygamy. They don't freely choose it.

And you are whining about me misrepresenting you?

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John Corrill: I would like to request the moderator take some action on Juliann's continued attempt to infer that I characterize polygamists as dumb or small brained, when quite the contrary is true.

So how do you explain so many smart people being such stupid dupes, John?

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Juliann: Are you? More of those double standards you apparently live by, John?

John Corrill: I'm not practicing polygamy, nor do I have plans to. But if you are, I think it is not productive for us to refer to the thoughts and feelings of polygamists of the past in defense or criticism. I would be interested to hear your thoughts about polygamy; why you do it. The rewards for you. The challenges for you. Etc.

I promise not to criticize. While I have my concerns with polygamy (both in my own family history and the church in general), I would only want to understand you.

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Juliann: Cute but desparate diversion, John. Start disclosing what you are withholding and start supporting your despicable accusations against these women.

John Corrill: Seriously, I am a "one woman man" :P I can round up credible witnesses. Now. back to you - since you haven't answered the question. I would be very interested to hear as much as you are comfortable discussing. It would certainly help me understand your passion for this issue. Again, I promise not to criticize or judge in any way- only listen and understand.

John, I haven't finished reading the thread so I don't know if someone has already commented on this -- do NOT personalize threads, either in the title/topic or in the course of it. Juliann is NOT the topic of this thread, polygamy and women who practiced it are.

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I couldn't care less what you "understand". I've listened to your trash talk for too many years and your scrambling attempt to change your own rules is rather pathetic. I am only demanding that you represent the women who lived according to their beliefs honestly.

When I [Zina Diantha Huntington] heard that God had revealed the law of celestial marriag that we would have th e privilige of associating in family relationships in the worlds to come I searched the scripture & buy [by] humble prayer to my Heavenly Father I obtained a testimony for myself that God had required that order to be established in this church.
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Allen: Yet, John C. says that the abuse and neglect are inherent in polygamy itself, not in external influences such as government prosecution and persecution.

John Corrill: Polygamists blaming the government for their plight is something that continues to this very day. The government didn't cause the hurt Martha Cannon felt when she saw her husband, "driving another plural wife about in a glittering carriage in broad day light? [while I am] entirely out of money-borrowing to pay some old standing debts." This kind of hurt is intrisic to polygamy.

Or intrinsic to divorce. Martha's marriage was falling apart at the time she wrote about the buggy. Why not blame it on divorce. (Or are you making the assertion that all divorces in polygamous unions, had they not been polygamous unions in the first place, would not have occurred.)

John, why do you still fail to see that any marital system--whether there is one spouse or many--can have problems. To blame all marital problems on polygamy and suggest that there would have been none had there been solely monogamy is a weak position.

You can't see that?

-Allen

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I've got a question for you, John.

Let's say that you heard from a religious leader that God wanted you to do something. It doesn't matter what it is, but you aren't really sure if God wants you to do it.

What would you do? On the off chance that you would take it upon yourself to ask God if He really wanted you to do this thing, what would you do if He answered that He really did want you to do it.

The answer comes directly, unmistakably, and forcefully from God. You cannot deny it; you dare not deny it.

What would you do?

-Allen

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