Faith and Truth

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Navidad said:

It all depends on how you define truth. That is the essence of the book I am working on. I am too tired tonight to go into it, but I will try in the morning. Christ is the truth in the Greek/Hebrew concept of truth . . . very different from the modern concept of truth as correct and incorrect, right and wrong. Christ is the truth  in the aletheia sense, that of being the revelator of that which had been hidden before Him. Truth as being is the ancient view of truth. My concept was that faith that is based on the modern concept of truth (correct vs. incorrect) is no longer faith. Faith that is based on truth as revelation - revealing that which was hidden is indeed faith. That is the kind of truth that Christ claimed to be. We no longer see truth in that way. More on that tomorrow. 

That's definitely one way to look at it.  If I get the chance I'll link to the podcast.  It's short and it's from the latter-day saint perspective but I'm not sharing it in an attempt to argue that it's the correct way to approach the topic.  The podcast is quick to point out that that isn't their purpose either.  It's just an interesting perspective that we tend to ignore in this day and age where 'truth = accurate' is most common.   

I just thought you'd be interested in the topic in general but you don't have to listen to the link, no worries.

 

[bluebell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ZB8dkq1V0

"Who is Truth"/ Gospel Chats podcast

[Navidad]

21 hours ago, bluebell said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ZB8dkq1V0

"Who is Truth"/ Gospel Chats podcast

@bluebellI watched the podcast today. I enjoyed it. I may not be in exact accord with their claiming that Christ was personifying Himself as "the truth" in the Johanine passage. I might see it more as He was declaring Himself to be the Revelator of the Truth of His Father's plan for humanity as contained in what we call the plan of salvation. The Greek word aletheia signifies an unhiding of what has been hidden. So in that sense Christ is the unhider of what was hidden about God's plan for humanity. I ordered the book they mentioned that has been written by two BY  affiliated folks. I look forward to reading that. Thanks for bringing the podcast to our attention. I'm in favor of truth as a verb and have used it in my book. It is more important that we truth (as a verb) than that we think we have the truth. I guess that is my bottom line. Thanks again and best wishes. I think I have something you asked me the other day left unanswered. I will try and go back through the threads and find it. The topic of truth is very complex indeed. All of my grammar checkers do not like me using truth as a verb. They seem to be programmed not to recognize such. Take care.

Edited Thursday at 11:21 PM by Navidad

[bluebell]

19 hours ago, Navidad said:

@bluebellI watched the podcast today. I enjoyed it. I may not be in exact accord with their claiming that Christ was personifying Himself as "the truth" in the Johanine passage. I might see it more as He was declaring Himself to be the Revelator of the Truth of His Father's plan for humanity as contained in what we call the plan of salvation. The Greek word aletheia signifies an unhiding of what has been hidden. So in that sense Christ is the unhider of what was hidden about God's plan for humanity. I ordered the book they mentioned that has been written by two BY  affiliated folks. I look forward to reading that. Thanks for bringing the podcast to our attention. I'm in favor of truth as a verb and have used it in my book. It is more important that we truth (as a verb) than that we think we have the truth. I guess that is my bottom line. Thanks again and best wishes. I think I have something you asked me the other day left unanswered. I will try and go back through the threads and find it. The topic of truth is very complex indeed. All of my grammar checkers do not like me using truth as a verb. They seem to be programmed not to recognize such. Take care.

They did another podcast on how Jesus is the Way and then a third on how Jesus is the Light. I need to go and listen to those as well to see how they attempt to take a more literal look at those parts of that famous verse.  

Edited 19 hours ago by bluebell

[Navidad]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

They did another podcast on how Jesus is the Way and then a third on how Jesus is the Light. I need to go and listen to those as well to see how they attempt to take a more literal look at those parts of that famous verse.  

It will be interesting what they do with odos (way). Christ says He is the road, the path. In the New Testament, its most common meaning is a road or path. Now that is a means to a destination, so it is easy to understand it metaphorically, as are both other words. Just for me, their  discussion was a bit too literal an interpretation of aletheia. It is like looking for a door on a heart. Christ says, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. It obviously necessitates a metaphorical interpretation, as do the terms in John 14:6. Best, Navidad . . . . oh and no, I am not literally Christmas!