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Does that make it ok? Charlie Kirk himself said accusing your political opponents of crimes to silence them is the stuff of dictatorships Its exhausting that we all feel so wedded to political ideologies that we can't think straight or consistently for ourselves. When anything happens in America or the world we immediately take to the TV or social media to understand how we are supposed to think about it. America needs to collectively turn all these people off

I was curious about this a couple days ago and did some searches for "Hortman" on a popular LDS Discord server that has been talking nonstop about the political assassination at UVU. 99% of the users in the politics forum are in agreement that the heartless liberals are the perpetrators of all political violence. Yet, in the entire history of that forum there is one single post about Hortman's assassination. The only response to it was "Not surprised, life goes on." I brought up Hortman's name in another LDS forum and someone who 10 minutes earlier had been complaining about America's heartless response to Kirk's assassination, asked "who's that?" Sources available upon request, but I'd rather not publicly shame anyone for their underwhelming responses to political assassinations

True but also nuanced. Kirk was also strongly disliked by a loud minority of conservatives led by Fuentes who, I've heard argued, was rapidly displacing Kirk as the rising star. There are speculations that this infighting contributed to the tragedy

I don't want to post the pics because the family doesn't deserve that, but the mother says in the caption that it was Tyler that dressed up as "some guy from a meme" The meme:

This Tyler kid is looking more and more like a groyper to me. He even dressed up as a groyper meme for halloween one year. If you don't know what a groyper is, they are a group that split off from the alt-right because people like Charlie Kirk were deemed too conservative. Nick Fuentes pushed his "groyper army" to sneak into Turning Point events and expose Kirk as a conservative fraud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

Tyler Robinson, a 4.0 student with a university scholarship from Washington Utah. No indication whether or not he is LDS. It is southern Utah so the odds aren't as high as if he were from Orem https://x.com/RedPill78/status/1966494010052120672

There's definitely a heart disease. Things are only going to get rougher Odds have just gone up dramatically that the shooter was a young Mormon kid. His father, a "minister" turned him in.

Fair enough, I'm also curious what it means because I hear it almost every conversation and have always asked who these they are, and nobody seems to know

"They" is the pronoun given to a group of unidentified Americans that need to be dealt with swiftly and promptly using the full force of Executive power. We all might be a part of this They group in some way or another

OK, I don't see Hortman or Hoffman even mentioned in that super generic statement. Come to think of it, has Trump ever once mentioned the names of Hortman and Hoffman publicly since the shootings? I stand corrected if you can provide a source Did Trump ever call for flags to be flown at half mast for Hortman? Has he followed up on the sentencing of Vance Boelter to make a public example of what happens to assassins who kill their political opponents in their own homes in the middle of the night? Did Trump post a video statement within hours of the murders? He did for Kirk. Even though Hortman was assassinated three months ago, Trump failed to mention her in that statement yesterday. Instead he (or his AI hand model) took to the Oval Office to accuse democrats of being the source of all political violence in America, contrary to heaps of evidence. And we're supposed to understand that he's not taking advantage of Kirk's death to intentionally fan the flames of political extremism? There an obvious double standard at play that ignores political assassinations when it is politically convenient

Flags at half mast for Kirk. No problem. Fine by me. But compare to Trump's response when a few months ago some guy cosplaying as police knocked on the doors of two democrat families in the middle of the night and opened fire: "One lawmaker and her husband were killed, and the second legislator and his wife sustained serious injuries in the shootings early Saturday. A suspect surrendered to police on Sunday. The Republican president spoke to reporters early Tuesday aboard Air Force One as he flew back to Washington...Asked if he had called Walz yet, Trump said the Democratic governor is “slick” and “whacked out” and, “I’m not calling him.” “I don’t really call him. He’s slick — he appointed this guy to a position,” Trump said. “I think the governor of Minnesota is so whacked out. I’m not calling him. why would I call him? “I could call him and say, ‘Hi, how you doing?’” Trump continued. “The guy doesn’t have a clue. He’s a, he’s a mess. So, you know, I could be nice and call him but why waste time?” https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/17/trump-walz-phone-call-00410141