CASteinman Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Okay, I will try again. Let's simplify the first sentence as follows:"He is the best actor, with red hair""He is the best actor with red hair"These two sentences actually have different meanings. I wish you had stayed with the original two sentences.These last two do not have different meanings. They are the same sentence but one has an unnecessary and confusing comma. That is all. There is no rule, that I am aware of regarding commas, that would justify putting one there. It is confusion.Here is the way I see it: 1. You have rejected a good, objective third party.2. You have started to bring up examples that do not work or do not make sense -- and when I challenge you on them, you move on and do not address the previous point.It is clear that you are very attached to your point of view and just simply do not believe me. That's fine, but also you will not accept any evidence I produce. No matter what the evidence is, you will have some subjective reason to believe that I am wrong. And to emphasize it, you will make some rather weird arguments --even arguments that contradict your point -- yet you think that they support it. And in that process, we are getting entirely away from the original topic.With that going on, Sorry, but I do not think that there is any reason to continue this discussion.
CASteinman Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 EDIT: I tried those two sentences in Reed-Kellogg Diagrammer. It parses the second sentence, but not the first (with the comma in it). It says, "Cannot find an utterance," whatever that is supposed to mean. So much for your great sentence diagramming method.It is a tool. It is useful. it is not God. There are some things it cannot understand. If it cannot make sense of a sentence it will say "cannot find utterance". That means the machine does not understand your sentence. Does not mean your sentence is really no good, only that the machine does not understand it.But if your sentence is merely one that might have alternative meanings and ways of viewing the grammar, it will produce multiple diagrams for each possible idea.And if it can understand your sentence enough to make an attempt to diagram it, it has a pretty high accuracy rate -- as long as you do not count the "wrong" versions when it sees and gets the right one but also produces many different versions of the sentence at the same time.
KevinG Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 I wonder after 8 pages of parsing the phrase... Has anyone prayed to God to know what that statement "really meant"?My personal understanding is that the contention that was caused by warring factions of Christianity was the root of the abomination and that those who were in the burnt over district at that time were not being very Christian at all in contending over and contesting against the other sects.It helps to read the whole passage and not just take offense at one sentence.
selek1 Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 It helps to read the whole passage and not just take offense at one sentence.But that would short-circuit the manufactured controversy and undermine the attempt to sow seeds of sectarian bitterness and rivalry (and not-incidentally, obviate roiughly 3/4 of the posts)!
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