cinepro Posted June 17, 2011 Author Posted June 17, 2011 View Postnackhadlow said:Do you believe that in1978 God changed his mind about black people? Does the Church teach that?No, no.LehiCan you explain that a little more? I can only understand a "no" answer in one of three ways:1. God didn't actually "change his mind" in 1978 and blacks still shouldn't have the Priesthood.2. God never wanted blacks to be excluded from the Priesthood in the first place, so he didn't "change his mind" in 1978.3. God inspired the Priesthood ban, but it was always meant to only apply to blacks from the mid 1850s to June of 1978, so he didn't "change his mind"; it was just his thentofore unknown plan continuing in motion, and it only appears as a change of mind to us.
David T Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Can you explain that a little more? I can only understand a "no" answer in one of three ways:1. God didn't actually "change his mind" in 1978 and blacks still shouldn't have the Priesthood.2. God never wanted blacks to be excluded from the Priesthood in the first place, so he didn't "change his mind" in 1978.3. God inspired the Priesthood ban, but it was always meant to only apply to blacks from the mid 1850s to June of 1978, so he didn't "change his mind"; it was just his thentofore unknown plan continuing in motion, and it only appears as a change of mind to us.This is the important question that individuals would need to be ready to explain.As for me and my house? I pick #2.
LeSellers Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 I can only understand a "no" answer in one of three ways:1. God didn't actually "change his mind" in 1978 and blacks still shouldn't have the Priesthood.2. God never wanted blacks to be excluded from the Priesthood in the first place, so he didn't "change his mind" in 1978.3. God inspired the Priesthood ban, but it was always meant to only apply to blacks from the mid 1850s to June of 1978, so he didn't "change his mind"; it was just his thentofore unknown plan continuing in motion, and it only appears as a change of mind to us.Almost right on the third try. It didn't begin in the 1850s. It was a part of the plan from Cain or earlier. God didn't change His mind about Blacks and the Priesthood because it was always in His economy that they would eventually receive it (in 1978 or not is another issue, but I believe it was set). It was always part of his plan that they would not be eligible until that point, but that afterward, providing =orthy in all other ways, they would then be permitted to exercise His authority. Lehi
KevinG Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 I go with #2. We just weren't ready to bear the full truth before then.Make note of the fact that our doctrines explicitly forbid segregation and our prophets declare bigotry not worthy of the priesthood while other churches quietly practice segregated worship to this day of their own volition.
KevinG Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 The justification for banning africans from the priesthood is pretty thin gruel. The same amount of scriptural justification for the rapture if you ask me.I love Brigham, he was the right prophet to bring our people out of the wilderness. I just think he like all living prophets was a product of his time and place and he got the ban wrong.That's my opinion and I own it.
David T Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Almost right on the third try. It didn't begin in the 1850s. It was a part of the plan from Cain or earlier. Ouch.
cinepro Posted June 17, 2011 Author Posted June 17, 2011 Almost right on the third try. It didn't begin in the 1850s. It was a part of the plan from Cain or earlier. God didn't change His mind about Blacks and the Priesthood because it was always in His economy that they would eventually receive it (in 1978 or not is another issue, but I believe it was set). It was always part of his plan that they would not be eligible until that point, but that afterward, providing =orthy in all other ways, they would then be permitted to exercise His authority. LehiThat may be the case, but I can't criticize the play for presenting a missionary who sincerely believes that "God changed his mind" in 1978. It would probably be more correct to say "And I believe, that in 1978 God changed his policy about black people", but I guess we'll just have to leave it to an LDS-produced musical to word things in the way we prefer.
KevinG Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 That may be the case, but I can't criticize the play for presenting a missionary who sincerely believes that "God changed his mind" in 1978. It would probably be more correct to say "And I believe, that in 1978 God changed his policy about black people", but I guess we'll just have to leave it to an LDS-produced musical to word things in the way we prefer.I prefer in 1978 the official practices of God's church on earth were changed to better reflect the fullness of God's truth.
cinepro Posted June 17, 2011 Author Posted June 17, 2011 I prefer in 1978 the official practices of God's church on earth were changed to better reflect the fullness of God's truth.If you ever write a song about what you believe, you should totally work that in.
KevinG Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 We're not perfectnobody could bebut the Gospel makes a lot morse sensewithout inerrancy!
neworder Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 Check out the new cover to the Book of Mormon. Might get more people to pick it up and read it.
cinepro Posted June 18, 2011 Author Posted June 18, 2011 Check out the new cover to the Book of Mormon. Might get more people to pick it up and read it.Oh, they already made that version into a musical. but they're definitely more sincere.
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