Balzer Posted January 7, 2011 Author Posted January 7, 2011 Your (The EV's) favorite proof text in the bible from Numbers 23:19.19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: It tells us that God is not a man that should lie. He is still a man he just does not lie.Check and mate.Notice how Jesus is called the "son of man".Mola Mola Mola. You know I love you right?Respectfully,Balzer
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Mola Mola Mola. You know I love you right?Respectfully,BalzerYes, but don't manipulate me. Lol Hey, at least we understand each other. And I call that a great achievement.
tana Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Not in my eyes. You have a distorted view of how Mormons understand God. How so? It has to me the appearance of a family tree. We are only our parents children, that is, under their thumb temporarily, and then we move on. Actually right now I'm raising my parents. Anyway, in the end time is meaningless, and we are all peers.
Vex Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I was unaware that Jesus came "to the earth as a perfect" man...Luke 12And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.What kind of Man is God?Ex 153The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.Is it bad that the image that conjured in my mind is this:
evangelist Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 I'm glad I worship a God who can be understood as a loving Father and who is accessible because he does have flesh and bone. Christ said that he does nothing save what he has seen his Father do. It appears he understood God, his Father, pretty well.Does a spirit have flesh and bones?one love
Nathair/|\ Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Does a spirit have flesh and bones?one loveIf you can't change your mind, are you sure you still have one?
Mortal Man Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 the Deification of mortal man is the only process given whereby Gods are madeI like the sound of that.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Does a spirit have flesh and bones?one loveI know lots of spirits that do. Well, flesh and blood anyway.
LeSellers Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I still don't get the LDS view on this. What am I to make of all the "In the beginning . . ." stuff in Genesis?You might do what Young's Literal Translation does:1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth
Obiwan Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 6 History of the Church 305Christ was once "as we are" now.... So your point is mute.
Obiwan Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Yes I think it is an odd idea, but I don't think that only Mormons believe this. I have looked at the Catholic belief in theosis a little, and I agree it seems very similar. Don't agree with the Catholics either. Respectfully,BalzerThen why are you "christian"....The Catholics didn't "create" this idea out of thin air like they did some other things in history such as things that made Luther upset.Have you forgotten that they WERE in fact part of the original Church Christ established?When are you going to understand that you think like 1400 Protestants who created their own man-made religions mixing the doctrines of God with the doctrines of men, not the actual "traditional" Christianity?
TAO Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I like the sound of that.BC_Space isn't correct though... Jesus was a God while he was still a spirit. But all those who are Gods will be 'destined' to get a celestial body at some period of time, I think.
Balzer Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 Then why are you "christian"....The Catholics didn't "create" this idea out of thin air like they did some other things in history such as things that made Luther upset.Have you forgotten that they WERE in fact part of the original Church Christ established?When are you going to understand that you think like 1400 Protestants who created their own man-made religions mixing the doctrines of God with the doctrines of men, not the actual "traditional" Christianity?I hold similar views of the LDS church. When are you going to understand that the LDS church is indeed one of the groups that mix the doctrines of men with the doctrines of God? For that matter, when are you going to understand that there isn't a church on the face of the earth that doesn't do that to some degree? Interestingly, I recently discovered that one of the reasons the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah was because of mistranslations of the Hebrew Bible. Sound familiar? And, FYI, I really don't subscribe to any particular "religion" even though I am a believer. I attend a non-denominational Bible teaching church and do try to wade my way through the man-made stuff vs. the stuff of the Bible. Ain't easy sometimes.Respectfully,Balzer
Balzer Posted January 9, 2011 Author Posted January 9, 2011 Then why are you "christian"....The Catholics didn't "create" this idea out of thin air like they did some other things in history such as things that made Luther upset.Have you forgotten that they WERE in fact part of the original Church Christ established?When are you going to understand that you think like 1400 Protestants who created their own man-made religions mixing the doctrines of God with the doctrines of men, not the actual "traditional" Christianity?I hold similar views of the LDS church. When are you going to understand that the LDS church is indeed one of the groups that mix the doctrines of men with the doctrines of God? For that matter, when are you going to understand that there isn't a church on the face of the earth that doesn't do that to some degree? Interestingly, I recently discovered that one of the reasons the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah was because of mistranslations of the Hebrew Bible. Sound familiar? And, FYI, I really don't subscribe to any particular "religion" even though I am a believer. I attend a non-denominational Bible teaching church and do try to wade my way through the man-made stuff vs. the stuff of the Bible. Ain't easy sometimes.Respectfully,Balzer
Olavarria Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 The thing about God once being a man who earned exaltation that bugs me is the fact that, if so, God as a man had to start out less than perfect. In other words, if He had to earn exaltation that fact requires that He was once something less than what he was after earning exaltation. I just can't bring myself to imagine, let alone worship, a creator that wasn't always a perfect being. Can anyone help me understand where I'm getting this wrong?Respectfully,BalzerDoctrine and Covenants 6:23"Did I not speak peace to your mind concerning the matter? What greater witness can you have than from God?"There is only one Person who can help ya with this and He doesn't post on this board
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 If you can't change your mind, are you sure you still have one?Is that the answer to my question?one love
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I know lost of spirits that do. Well, flesh and blood anyway.Is God one of them even though He is Spirit?John 4:24 24
Vex Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Is God one of them even though He is Spirit?John 4:24 24
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Is God one of them even though He is Spirit?John 4:24 24
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 You just quoted yourself into a corner: For God has a right hand.Col 3:1Mark 16:19Psalms 48:10Luke 22:69Acts 5:31etcetcetcetcetcPsalms:91:1: He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.Psalms:91:2: I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.Psalms:91:3: Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.Psalms:91:4: He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.So is God also a bird and has a bird body ??one love
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Yes accourding to the EV's favorite prooftext of numbers 23:19.See my responce to Balzer.BTW nothing in Luke 24:39 does not say that a God does not have a body. For according to you Jesus is God and Jesus has a body. What do to with that cunumdrum.The Spirit was reincarmated or manifested into the body of Jesus!1Tm:3:16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.The word "reincarnation" derives from Latin, literally meaning, "entering the flesh again". The Greek equivalent metempsychosis (????????????) roughly corresponds to the common English phrase "transmigration of the soul" and also usually connotes reincarnation after death,[5] as either human, animal, though emphasising the continuity of the soul, not the flesh. The term has been used by modern philosophers such as Kurt G
Vex Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Psalms:91:1: He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.Psalms:91:2: I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.Psalms:91:3: Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.Psalms:91:4: He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.So is God also a bird and has a bird body ??one loveNotice I didn't specifically reference Psalms, which point in fact lend themselves to imagery. Though if you take one verse at face value how do you reconcile one scripture with another?
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Notice I didn't specifically reference Psalms, which point in fact lend themselves to imagery. Though if you take one verse at face value how do you reconcile one scripture with another?Us a concordance it might help you!Deu 32:11 As an eagle5404 stirreth up5782 her nest,7064 fluttereth7363 over5921 her young,1469 spreadeth abroad6566 her wings,3671 taketh3947 them, beareth5375 them on5921 her wings:84one love
Vex Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Us a concordance it might help you!Deu 32:11 As an eagle5404 stirreth up5782 her nest,7064 fluttereth7363 over5921 her young,1469 spreadeth abroad6566 her wings,3671 taketh3947 them, beareth5375 them on5921 her wings:84one loveHelp me what? You didn't answer my question. Will you answer it?
evangelist Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Help me what? You didn't answer my question. Will you answer it?Using the contexts, is the best way, then in the mouth of two or three witness and third using yourborn again spirit to bear record of the truth!one love
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