J Green Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Studying Jacob 2 this morning, I was struck by similar themes in Isaiah 58. Jacob lists the following as what the members of his community should do with their wealth:1. Clothe the naked (v. 19)2. Feed the hungry (v. 19)3. Liberate the captive (v. 19)4. Administer relief to the sick and afflicted (v. 19)Compare this to Isaiah 58, in the following order:1. Loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke (v. 6).2. Deal thy bread to the hungry (v. 7).3. Bring the poor that are cast out to thy house (v. 7).4. When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him (v. 7).5. Hide not thyself from thine own flesh (v. 7).Both of these seem to have a strong underlying social commentary set against the backdrop of the autumnal ingathering festival. On the one hand, these are common enough themes, and there isn't a complete overlap here. But on the other hand, given the family's literary dependance on Isaiah, is Jacob referencing Isaiah here specifically?Regards
David Bokovoy Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Studying Jacob 2 this morning, I was struck by similar themes in Isaiah 58. Jacob lists the following as what the members of his community should do with their wealth:1. Clothe the naked (v. 19)2. Feed the hungry (v. 19)3. Liberate the captive (v. 19)4. Administer relief to the sick and afflicted (v. 19)Compare this to Isaiah 58, in the following order:1. Loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke (v. 6).2. Deal thy bread to the hungry (v. 7).3. Bring the poor that are cast out to thy house (v. 7).4. When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him (v. 7).5. Hide not thyself from thine own flesh (v. 7).Both of these seem to have a strong underlying social commentary set against the backdrop of the autumnal ingathering festival. On the one hand, these are common enough themes, and there isn't a complete overlap here. But on the other hand, given the family's literary dependance on Isaiah, is Jacob referencing Isaiah here specifically?RegardsOh no! Don't give me any more Deutero-Isaiah in the BofM to contend with!! In all seriousness, this is really a very nice observation. It may not suggest a direct dependence, however, it certainly in my mind creates an impressive thematic link. Thanks for sharing.
e=mc2 Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Studying Jacob 2 this morning, I was struck by similar themes in Isaiah 58. Jacob lists the following as what the members of his community should do with their wealth:1. Clothe the naked (v. 19)2. Feed the hungry (v. 19)3. Liberate the captive (v. 19)4. Administer relief to the sick and afflicted (v. 19)Compare this to Isaiah 58, in the following order:1. Loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke (v. 6).2. Deal thy bread to the hungry (v. 7).3. Bring the poor that are cast out to thy house (v. 7).4. When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him (v. 7).5. Hide not thyself from thine own flesh (v. 7).Both of these seem to have a strong underlying social commentary set against the backdrop of the autumnal ingathering festival. On the one hand, these are common enough themes, and there isn't a complete overlap here. But on the other hand, given the family's literary dependance on Isaiah, is Jacob referencing Isaiah here specifically?RegardsIt actually helps us understand the theme that all the prophets have more or less taught the same doctrines. You have a good eye here. The Church News in 1997 said this context was involved in Isaiah 58:7 - "The true meaning of the fast and the purpose of welfare work were among topics President Thomas S. Monson of the First Presidency spoke of in an address at the April 1986 general conference.He cited a passage from Isaiah concerning the true fast:" 'Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?' (Isa. 58:7.) "Appearing as a golden thread woven through the tapestry of the welfare program is the truth taught by the Apostle Paul: 'The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.' (2 Cor. 3:6.) "What has the Lord said about the spirit of this work? In a revelation given to the Prophet Joseph at Kirtland, Ohio, in June of 1831, He declared: 'Remember in all things the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted, for he that doeth not these things, the same is not my disciple.' " (D&C 52:40.) The Church News for 1991 also had this interesting insight from Elder Dallin Oaks - ""Young people, if you honor your parents, you will love them, respect them, confide in them, be considerate of them, express appreciation for them, and demonstrate all of these things by following their counsel in righteousness, and by obeying the commandments of God," he instructed.Latter-day Saints are obliged to care for their parents and grandparents to "the very best of our ability," emphasized Elder Oaks. When the elderly have no family, priesthood leaders should make every effort to fill their needs."From time to time, Church leaders hear of grown children who seem to be good Latter-day Saints but are negligent or even maliciously indifferent in care for their aged parents," he said. "Some have encouraged parents to distribute their property and then have put them away in institutions, sometimes with inadequate care and sometimes without regular visits and expressions of love from their children."I believe this was the kind of circumstance the Lord's spokesman, the prophet Isaiah, thundered against when he said, 'Hide not thyself from thine own flesh.' " (Isa. 58:7.) Elder Oaks suggested that aged parents should be given the opportunity to make as many decisions, and live as independently as possible. When a parent is no longer able to live alone, and is invited to live with a child, the family circle remains intact.He shared personal insights on the promise by describing a situation of how the children and grandchildren honored his wife's grandmother and mother. "They visited her frequently, they made her part of every occasion where she desired to participate, and they gave her every consideration and respect," he said."A worthy example repeats itself from generation to generation. Truly, righteousness is a beacon, and a worthy act is its own reward."
Bill Hamblin Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Studying Jacob 2 this morning, I was struck by similar themes in Isaiah 58. Jacob lists the following as what the members of his community should do with their wealth:1. Clothe the naked (v. 19)2. Feed the hungry (v. 19)3. Liberate the captive (v. 19)4. Administer relief to the sick and afflicted (v. 19)Compare this to Isaiah 58, in the following order:1. Loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke (v. 6).2. Deal thy bread to the hungry (v. 7).3. Bring the poor that are cast out to thy house (v. 7).4. When thou seest the naked, that thou cover him (v. 7).5. Hide not thyself from thine own flesh (v. 7).Both of these seem to have a strong underlying social commentary set against the backdrop of the autumnal ingathering festival. On the one hand, these are common enough themes, and there isn't a complete overlap here. But on the other hand, given the family's literary dependance on Isaiah, is Jacob referencing Isaiah here specifically?RegardsI like it. And don't listen to Bokovoy. He believes Isaiah was not written by Isaiah, but by another man of the same name! (Well, okay, same last name but different first names.)
e=mc2 Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 I like it. And don't listen to Bokovoy. He believes Isaiah was not written by Isaiah, but by another man of the same name! (Well, okay, same last name but different first names.)We all know it coulda been his kid, Isaiah Jr. What's the big deal?
Flyonthewall Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Add Mathew 25:35&36 and it makes it seem like the Lord is fairly consistant in His teachings.
e=mc2 Posted March 14, 2009 Posted March 14, 2009 Add Mathew 25:35&36 and it makes it seem like the Lord is fairly consistant in His teachings. Heh.... that's a pretty good one also! Either Moroni or Mormon also said do NOT ignore the poor, which is what he saw us in his vision doing anyways......
J Green Posted March 17, 2009 Author Posted March 17, 2009 Oh no! Don't give me any more Deutero-Isaiah in the BofM to contend with!! In for a penny . . .Does this mean you don't subscribe to the Trito movement?
e=mc2 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 In for a penny . . .Does this mean you don't subscribe to the Trito movement?Trito movement is child's play compared to the Quatro movement....
J Green Posted March 18, 2009 Author Posted March 18, 2009 Trito movement is child's play compared to the Quatro movement.... All this talk of movements in trito and quatro . . . I think one of us is now obligated to write the Isaiah sonata.
e=mc2 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 All this talk of movements in trito and quatro . . . I think one of us is now obligated to write the Isaiah sonata. There once was a man named Isaiah,And we all just have to praise ya!He prophecied doom and gloom,and didn't even ride a broom,But he's worth reading every day-yah.....I know, I know, ughs and groans coming up!
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