Hank Hanegraaff Sounds Off On September Dawn

[smac97]

About what I expected:

Recently I went to a movie called September Dawn. It was one of the most riveting movies I've seen in recent history.

It's really a story that chronicles the painful, violent way in which Mormons slaughtered the inhabitants of a wagon train passing through Utah on the way to California. And it makes clear that the historic Christian faith, not Mormonism, is the way to having peace with God.

As one reviewer put it, the movie has an "anything but subtle message...[that] Mormons=bad, Protestants=good."

September Dawn gives you a glimpse into how the perversions of Mormon theology have a practical implication on things that have happened in the past.

-Smac

[jwhitlock]

Yep, that's Hank.

If Hank thinks it's a riveting movie, given the thumbs down the critics have been giving it, he must really be out of touch with reality.

Of course, one can also say that "Hank (and Jim Bakker, and Ed Decker, and Jimmy Swaggart, and Pat Robertson, and on and on and on) give you a glimpse into how the perversions of Christian theology have a practical implication on things that are happening currently" - and be far more accurate.

[auteur55]

It's really a story that chronicles the painful, violent way in which Mormons slaughtered the inhabitants of a wagon train passing through Utah on the way to California. And it makes clear that the historic Christian faith, not Mormonism, is the way to having peace with God.

Yep, it makes it very VERY clear.

And yet the filmmakers promised they didn't have an anti-mormon agenda.

[Bsix]

Intersting. I posted a comment on the blog yesterday and returned today. I could not get to the blog because it is blocked. The message says that the blog is in violation of the rules.

Regards,

Six

[cdowis]

And it makes clear that the historic Christian faith, not Mormonism, is the way to having peace with God.

He is a very silly person. Is he talking about the same historic Christianity that produced the Crusades, the religion that gave us the Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials... Is that the one he's talking about which gives us "peace with God"?

I sent him a message asking that question. Will post if he responds.

[Marmonboy]

Perhaps he is referring to the Christianity that stands outside pageants and Conference and waves underwear while screaming rude things.

[Aquilifer]

Intersting. I posted a comment on the blog yesterday and returned today. I could not get to the blog because it is blocked. The message says that the blog is in violation of the rules.

Regards,

Six

Interesting indeed. The overwhelming number of the (few) posts there now are pro-LDS. Considering Hanegraaf's usual MO of blocking out contrary views, I see that as a victory in and of itself.

[cdowis]

In his commentary on "September Dawn", Hank made the following statement: "It's really a story that chronicles the painful, violent way in which Mormons slaughtered the inhabitants of a wagon train passing through Utah on the way to California. And it makes clear that the historic Christian faith, not Mormonism, is the way to having peace with God." Now, I am confused. When you are talking about historic Christianity, are you talking about the same religion that produced the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials, etc (I could go on). Please help me understand how you talk about one regrettable incident in Mormon history on the one hand, and how historic Christianity "brings peace with God" on the other. With your permission, I will copy your response on the internet forum for all to see.

I assume that he will ignore my question, but who knows.

[urroner]

I recently saw the "Lord of the Rings" movies for the fourth time and it was truly riveting. It depicts the painful, violent ways of Sauron and the humans who fought with him and how they tried to destroy two little hobbits seeking to bring true peace to the world, well, Middle-Earth. It makes clear that being a hobbit, short with hairy toes, not being human, is the way to having peace with God. Well, that and having a good wizard to help with all the magic and like that.

[cdowis]

I recently saw the "Lord of the Rings" movies for the fourth time and it was truly riveting. It depicts the painful, violent ways of Sauron and the humans who fought with him and how they tried to destroy two little hobbits seeking to bring true peace to the world, well, Middle-Earth. It makes clear that being a hobbit, short with hairy toes, not being human, is the way to having peace with God. Well, that and having a good wizard to help with all the magic and like that.

If he does respond, I will be sure to quote you. Very nice response.

[solomarineris]

Yep, that's Hank.

If Hank thinks it's a riveting movie, given the thumbs down the critics have been giving it, he must really be out of touch with reality.

Of course, one can also say that "Hank (and Jim Bakker, and Ed Decker, and Jimmy Swaggart, and Pat Robertson, and on and on and on) give you a glimpse into how the perversions of Christian theology have a practical implication on things that are happening currently" - and be far more accurate.

"perversions of Christian theology"

this is such interesting remark that you do not believe Christian version of Christian Theology, but LDS version of Christian theology.

Not that anything right or wrong about it, it is a personal matter.

[selek]

"perversions of Christian theology"

this is such interesting remark that you do not believe Christian version of Christian Theology, but LDS version of Christian theology.

Not that anything right or wrong about it, it is a personal matter.

What specifically is a "Christian" version of Christian theology, Solo?

Which particular sect owns the copyright on that? What proof of ownership do they have?

And at precisely what point did God tell you that you were authorized to determine who is and isn't "Christian"?

[jwhitlock]

"perversions of Christian theology"

this is such interesting remark that you do not believe Christian version of Christian Theology, but LDS version of Christian theology.

Not that anything right or wrong about it, it is a personal matter.

Well, there's Christian theology and then there are perversions of Christian theology. The point of my remark, of course, was that I hoped that the preachings and actions of those mentioned, including Hank, really do pervert what mainstream / evangelical / fundamentalist / traditional / orthodox / etc. Christians believe.

Or do you think they are typical?

[solomarineris]

What specifically is a "Christian" version of Christian theology, Solo?

Which particular sect owns the copyright on that? What proof of ownership do they have?

And at precisely what point did God tell you that you were authorized to determine who is and isn't "Christian"?

Since you asked, I did some critical thinking;

The Chrisitian version is;

Cross

Trinity

Spirit God

baby baptism

Cathedrals

LDS Christian version

Avoding cross

God is a man

There are 3 distinct Gods

baptism at 8

Temples

Man can become Gods

First Vision

I am sure you know the rest. As for me; I have no copyright or claim which one is right which one is wrong. I do not care enough to worry about to take any sides. Although I wish if anything LDS theology would be right.

I know for fact LDS theology seldom send humans to Hell as opposed to Born agains. I like the idea to become a God, I'd like to marry in heaven. Put it simply; After-life will not be boring in LDS heaven.

But deep down I think either plan is an illusion.