The Miracle Of The Raising Of Lazarus

[Hammer]

So then, perhaps I should have done this as a poll.

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke knew about the raising of Lazarus but intentionally omitted it?

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke never knew about the raising of Lazarus?

There was so much going on in the three year ministery that I believe it was difficult to remember all what happened, and maybe there was an issue of limited time and space to keep all things. Maybe the differed in their accounts because of their different perspectives as to what was most important.

I think they all knew about all of the events, but just didn't put down all the exact same things according to their own preferences.

[No Touch]

So then, perhaps I should have done this as a poll.

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke knew about the raising of Lazarus but intentionally omitted it?

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke never knew about the raising of Lazarus?

Perhaps they knew, but by second or third hand sources, and didn't want to include a story based on such accounts, and wanted to stick to comparatively well-verified stories.

John perhaps then chose to include these stories even given those sources, seeing them as too important to exclude. Or maybe he even had better sources for them.

[SolarPowered]

So then, perhaps I should have done this as a poll.

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke knew about the raising of Lazarus but intentionally omitted it?

Who thinks that Matthew, Mark and Luke never knew about the raising of Lazarus?

I am of the opinion that it is likely that the authors of neither Matthew, Mark, nor Luke were eyewitnesses of Christ's ministry. They composed their Gospels from other, preexisting documents, notably the document now known as "Q". In my opinion, the story of Lazarus didn't make it into Q for whatever reason, and the writers of Matthew, Mark and Luke therefore didn't know of this episode, and didn't include it in their Gospels.

[consiglieri]

I am of the opinion that it is likely that the authors of neither Matthew, Mark, nor Luke were eyewitnesses of Christ's ministry. They composed their Gospels from other, preexisting documents, notably the document now known as "Q". In my opinion, the story of Lazarus didn't make it into Q for whatever reason, and the writers of Matthew, Mark and Luke therefore didn't know of this episode, and didn't include it in their Gospels.

I follow you.

Are you indicating that you think John was an eyewitness, such as the Signs Gospel?

Or just another non-eyewitness with different sources?

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I follow you.

Are you indicating that you think John was an eyewitness, such as the Signs Gospel?

Or just another non-eyewitness with different sources?

I am unclear on that. I believe that the apostle John was the author of the book of Revelation. I have read that the Greek of that book is substantially different from the Greek of the Gospel of John, which would indicate that the Gospel was not written by the apostle John. However, I don't remember who wrote that opinion, and thus whether their opinion is worth taking seriously or not. That does, however, leave unresolved in my mind the question of who wrote the forth Gospel. (I do note that I have seen scholarly writings that consistently refer to "the author of the forth Gospel" without naming him, which indicates to me that the authorship of that Gospel is generally not considered to have been established.)

(I further note that the more I study about the history of the scriptures, the less I seem to know...)

[Son]

On a side note, I heard that Lazarus was:

1. not himself, ie had some mental issues after this evet or

2. He did not last long after this event, ie he died shortly afterwords.

Wonder if HF said to him...hey...will you go down there one more time for a few weeks and help to show that Jesus is the Lord and then come back?

But on topic from the OP I believe that since they were not first hand witnesses they did not record the event, only John.

Lazarus surely never tasted of death again, and was never not in his right mind.

John the beloved was given the authorship because he was worthy, and himself given the keys to overcoming death.

Jesus said to those that believed, they would be given the power to raise the dead.

Lazarus was an example of the spiritual powers bestowed upon righteous Son's.

[SolarPowered]

Lazarus surely never tasted of death again,

CFR. Lazarus was brought back to mortality, not resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected, following His Atonement and crucifixion; before that, none were resurrected.

John the beloved was given the authorship because he was worthy, and himself given the keys to overcoming death.

References? I've never seen any authoritive indication of either of these points.

[Son]

CFR. Lazarus was brought back to mortality, not resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected, following His Atonement and crucifixion; before that, none were resurrected.

References? I've never seen any authoritive indication of either of these points.

Are you saying that there are scriptures that speak of no one being ressurected before Jesus?

Are you saying that Lazarus died after he was raised from the dead?

The reference to Lazarus is in the book Ye are Gods.

The authority of John is obvious.

[e=mc2]

Maybe it was just too sacred to give to the public? Isn't that what today's leaders usually say about things of the magnificent magnitudes along these lines?

Solarpowered:

CFR. Lazarus was brought back to mortality, not resurrected. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected, following His Atonement and crucifixion; before that, none were resurrected.

Not quite right....Osiris, the Egyptian Christ-like character died and was resurrected.

[SolarPowered]

Are you saying that there are scriptures that speak of no one being ressurected before Jesus?

Are you saying that Lazarus died after he was raised from the dead?

Corinthians 15:20 is one place that says this: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

However, it should be pretty obvious even without any specific scriptures: The Resurrection came only through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. Therefore, no one could be resurrected prior to the death of Jesus. Therefore, Lazarus was not resurrected, he was only returned to mortality. As have been many people; see, for example, the currently-running thread on the subject of Near Death Experiences.

The reference to Lazarus is in the book Ye are Gods.

I am not familiar with the book or the author. Did she know Lazarus? Is there any reason one should accept as authoritative anything she might have to say on the subject? And, what exactly did she have to say?

The authority of John is obvious.

OK, that John was the author of the forth Gospel is not obvious to me, nor is it to many scholars. If it is so obvious, would you please explain it to us?

Nor have I seen that he was given the keys to overcome death. He was granted that he might not taste of death until Jesus returns; that is not at all the same as being "given the keys to overcome death", by which it appears that you mean the keys of resurrection.

[e=mc2]

Consiglieri:

John is the only gospel writer to record the story of the woman taken in adultery (which most scholars take to be a late addition to the text and not original).

John has nothing to say about the agony Jesus suffered (and skips Gethsemane completely).

And I could go on.

Well obviously then, sheesh! John wasn't much of an historian!

[consiglieri]

It's worse than that.

I'm not even sure John was John!

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[Son]

It's worse than that.

I'm not even sure John was John!

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Nor the Bible the bible, heck its all illusion.

Except for gravity. I still can't fly.

[Vex]

As to [A], we could make the same argument for Jesus' resurrection.

As to , John's gospel portrays the raising of Lazarus as intensely public. But if the charge were given to "tell no one of this thing," I guess John didn't get the memo.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[A]; Even the details between all accounts vary widely. Which could be implied that such details were either written long after the fact, or communication between the Apostles were done so that no one account gave the "full" view of the cruxifiction and ressurection.

; Although publicly available I'd be some what hesitent to allow those who had little or no faith to see such miracle, but then again, that never stopped the Lord from preforming such miracles in front of the Sadduces and the like.

There's also another possibilty that we're over looking that might be a viable alternative to all those offered. It is ordained to specific persons to write specific things/accounts; exp: Nephi and John. The Lord dictated to Nephi to stop recording but showed him the same vision as John. If this is the case that would account for the other descripencies between the Gospels. Shall we label this possibilty [C]?

[Son]

Corinthians 15:20 is one place that says this: "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

Firstfruits= only? huh!

However, it should be pretty obvious even without any specific scriptures: The Resurrection came only through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. Therefore, no one could be resurrected prior to the death of Jesus. Therefore, Lazarus was not resurrected, he was only returned to mortality. As have been many people; see, for example, the currently-running thread on the subject of Near Death Experiences.

I am not familiar with the book or the author. Did she know Lazarus? Is there any reason one should accept as authoritative anything she might have to say on the subject? And, what exactly did she have to say?

She said certainly Lazarus never tasted of death again, and yes she was authorized to write what she wrote.

OK, that John was the author of the forth Gospel is not obvious to me, nor is it to many scholars. If it is so obvious, would you please explain it to us?

Ask the HS

Nor have I seen that he was given the keys to overcome death. He was granted that he might not taste of death until Jesus returns; that is not at all the same as being "given the keys to overcome death", by which it appears that you mean the keys of resurrection.

Ask Joseph Smith, he met him.

There have been many that have not tasted of death. There will be many more. Not a big deal. If you keep the commandments of thankfulness, Love, and praise, you could overcome as well.

[TrashcanMan79]

In my opinion, the story of Lazarus didn't make it into Q for whatever reason, and the writers of Matthew, Mark and Luke therefore didn't know of this episode, and didn't include it in their Gospels.

The reason it wasn't in Q is because Q was a "sayings" gospel, not a narrative account of the life of Jesus. My understanding is Q has NO stories of Jesus, only his (supposed) words.

[consiglieri]

The reason it wasn't in Q is because Q was a "sayings" gospel, not a narrative account of the life of Jesus. My understanding is Q has NO stories of Jesus, only his words.

114, to be exact.

[SolarPowered]

Firstfruits= only? huh!

From the footnote in the Bible, Firstfruits = Greek "Firstling". I.e., the first one. The raising of Lazarus occured prior to this.

She said certainly Lazarus never tasted of death again, and yes she was authorized to write what she wrote.

Ask the HS

Again, who the heck is she? What did she say, exactly? (That would be a quotation.) Why would she know? And why should I believe anything she has to say?

Ask the HS

Unless you name in real life happens to be Gordon Bitner Hinckley, you don't get to tell me about your revelations and expect me to believe them. Everyone else has to provide substance to back up their assertions.

Ask Joseph Smith, he met him.

You appear to be suggesting that you've had a conversation with Joseph Smith on this subject. Please describe the substance of this discussion, and explain how it is that you're having discussions with someone who's been dead for over 150 years.

We've been going around on this for several posts. Do you actually have anything of substance to say, or were you just shooting your mouth off? (Here are some suggestions for what might constitute "substance": a scriptural quote, a quote from one of the early church fathers, or from an early extra-biblical source, or from one of the latter-day prophets.)

[Oracle]

(Oracle raises hand wildly into the air, I know!!)

She is really J.K. Rowling. In addition to bring Lazarus back from the dead, Jesus whisked Rowling into the picture to record the event for John. That is why the story is there and omitted from the others. The others took a look at John's scripting and decided not to write the event down themselves because it would simply pale by comparison.

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(Oracle raises hand wildly into the air, I know!!)

She is really...

To clarify, the "she" I've been referring to is Annalee Skarin, the author of the book Ye Are Gods, which "Son" earlier referred to.

[Oracle]

To clarify, the "she" I've been referring to is Annalee Skarin, the author of the book Ye Are Gods, which "Son" earlier referred to.

Psssshaawww. You are taking ALL the fun out of my story!

[consiglieri]

(Oracle raises hand wildly into the air, I know!!)

She is really J.K. Rowling. In addition to bring Lazarus back from the dead, Jesus whisked Rowling into the picture to record the event for John.

I can only imagine a portkey was involved.

Either that, or Ms. Rowling achieved an Outstanding on her N.E.W.T. in Apparition.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[Hammer]

Lazarus surely never tasted of death again, and was never not in his right mind.

John the beloved was given the authorship because he was worthy, and himself given the keys to overcoming death.

Jesus said to those that believed, they would be given the power to raise the dead.

Lazarus was an example of the spiritual powers bestowed upon righteous Son's.

Raised from the dead is different than ressurrected and could you please point me to the reference of where Lzarus never tasted of death again?

[e=mc2]

Ooooooooooooooooo, an interesting observation Hammer...............

[Son]

Raised from the dead is different than ressurrected and could you please point me to the reference of where Lzarus never tasted of death again?

I didn't say that He was ressurected, that was someone else's assertion.

The reference is from the book that I mentioned on earlier post. It is scripture to me, so I express it.

Why would Lazarus die again after the Son of God raised him from the dead?

As well, did all those that were Ressurected after the cross die again? No.

We seem to discount the teachings of Christ regarding life everlasting. That He came that we Might have life.

If we live and believe we shall never taste of death.

Do you think that these promises are not available to those who believe?

Did Christ come that we might have death. No.