Who Said This? Work Out Your Salvation

[rhinomelon]

The purpose of the work is to learn, not to earn.

I watched a little bit of conference this weekend, and I can't remember who it was that was speaking (if I saw a list of speakers, I'd remember), but he used the phrase "earn the mercy of God" (an oxymoron) several times, as well as other statements to that effect. Like it or not, the notion that mercy and grace have to be earned (as distinguished from "learned") is still a solid part of LDS teaching all the way to the top.

Take care, everyone

[Son]

Paul was saying that if you *do* work out your own salvation, do so with fear and trembling. But the yoke of Christ is easy. He did it for us.

Not really the typical evangelical interpretation. Also notice the second part of the passage in question: "For it is God who works in you to will and to work according to His good purpose." (from memory, sorry if I mucked it up a bit). All Christians work out their own salvation, because it is God working in them through the Holy Spirit. This fits perfectly with Paul's other explanations of the working of God in the believer, like in Romans 5-8.

Also note that Paul is not saying "work for your salvation", as if it is something not yet obtained. Rather, Paul is telling the Philippian believers to "work out" or "put into action" what they have already obtained and currently possess. He calls them "united with Christ" and "in fellowship with the Holy Spirit" already.

Just my thoughts. Take care, everyone

rhino, if you're going to continue to fail to make reference to our being non-Christian cultists, I'm afraid I'm going to have to cancel my perscription.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Inconceivable..............

[Son]

At last we have come around to the true difference between LDS and evangelicals (and I would say the RCC and EVs, and Greek Orthodox and EVs, etc.).

This is the belief in a priesthood of God that mediates between God and man.

LDS trace a priesthood lineage back to the apostles, to Jesus, and then to God the Father. We are thus connected to God in a personal, family way that no EVs can claim. But to EVs, this is not necessary, since personal revelation from God is sufficient.

LDS, on the other hand, confirm this faith and repentence of the person with baptism (surely you do not reject this as unbiblical, since even Jesus accepted it!), and then laying on of hands for the Holy Spirit (also Biblical, since Peter and friends did this).

In other words, we consider all these steps to be indeed essential for salvation. And the last two steps require the intercession of a person with authority to do so.

Here is our real disagreement, I think. Not over grace vs. works as such.

Do you agree?

Beowulf

It seems that LDS and EV's have something in common.

Salvationism.

Is there a distinction between the devine nature, and salvation?

Is salvation the only degree of glory to desire. I hope not.

Remember salvation is being salvaged. Its a free gift. You have to work real hard to lose it. It is the bottom of the rung, though an awesome gift to set us on the path of perfection. Which should be everyones desire. Not just resting in and debatin whether or not we are saved.IMHO

[Rock]

[urroner]

[Son]

urroner you stole my thunder

Be-live

[Rock]

Amen. Thanks for the definition. I'm unsure why you felt it needed to be stated. Our works are nothing more than our response to the Holy Spirit working inside of us. Our reasonable service is nothing to credit ourselves with.

Look at the scripture I posted. Is it reasonable to think the promise can be flipped over? Is it reasonable, considering all of Jesus' other warnings about hell to conclude that those who do not believe on Him WILL perish? Those who do believe will not perish and those who do not believe, will PERISH. Is that fair to say?

Is inherriting salvation to some lowest rung on the ladder, considered to be perishing? Or is it rather salvation to a kingdom of glory? Which is it - glory or perishing?

[freakin a man]

[grego]

Are not the works one must do, which God puts in him, after receiving God's grace--baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost?

[Son]

Amen. Thanks for the definition. I'm unsure why you felt it needed to be stated. Our works are nothing more than our response to the Holy Spirit working inside of us. Our reasonable service is nothing to credit ourselves with.

Look at the scripture I posted. Is it reasonable to think the promise can be flipped over? Is it reasonable, considering all of Jesus' other warnings about hell to conclude that those who do not believe on Him WILL perish? Those who do believe will not perish and those who do not believe, will PERISH. Is that fair to say?

Is inherriting salvation to some lowest rung on the ladder, considered to be perishing? Or is it rather salvation to a kingdom of glory? Which is it - glory or perishing?

Perish means to die.

Jesus came that we might have life. Life ever lasting. There is no death in everlasting. Yes He was speaking of physical death.

The beauty of Christ is he taught the highest things possible -knowing most would choose the lesser way of being salvaged.

Then slowly droning on through eons, unlearning the hypnotic weaknesses learned on the school of earth.

The inhabitants of Telestial, and the Terrestrial

Very few spiritually perish. THE SECOND DEATHHHHHHHHHHH