pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 John 4:24 - God is a Spirit "Cherry-Picking in the Orchard of God's Word: John 4:24" @ http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/conf/2000BarD.html"Is God A Spirit?" @ http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/respons.../god_spirit.htm
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Tanyan, I prefer the NIV or the NLV myself...How about you?
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Benji, Please do not do the brush of Ploy/Tactic, respond to the sites posted by pseudo.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Actually, if pseudo wants to argue a position himself I would be happy to but merely posting links is not sufficient.
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Tanyan, I prefer the NIV or the NLV myself...How about you? KJV/NIV/NKJV/The New American Bible. There are some great translations I am told are excellent.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 That's cool Tanyan...I'm glad you're willing to go beyond the traditional LDS position of "KJV only" that was at least in effect when I was a kid. Do they still?
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Actually, if pseudo wants to argue a position himself I would be happy to but merely posting links is not sufficient. Why ?, that is part of participating on the internet and in these forums. You made accusational statements we give you the sites that respond, try again.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Actually I merely quoted scripture...how is that accusational?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 Actually, if pseudo wants to argue a position himself I would be happy to but merely posting links is not sufficient. Benji, you just need to forget completely about all things LDS for a moment and focus on how you define "Biblical Christianity." Pretend for a moment that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't even exist. Don't try and define your beliefs by going after LDS beliefs, rather define "Biblical Christianity" based on your own paradigm.
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 That's cool Tanyan...I'm glad you're willing to go beyond the traditional LDS position of "KJV only" that was at least in effect when I was a kid. Do they still? I have seen Books/Journals/Papers/DVD/CD/Audio Cassette material that uses other versions by LDS Scholars/Professors and occasionaly by General Authorities.
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Actually, if pseudo wants to argue a position himself I would be happy to but merely posting links is not sufficient. Benji, you just need to forget completely about all things LDS for a moment and focus on how you define "Biblical Christianity." Pretend for a moment that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints doesn't even exist. Don't try and define your beliefs by going after LDS beliefs, rather define "Biblical Christianity" based on your own paradigm. Great question Psudo !.
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 I'm glad you're willing to go beyond the traditional LDS position of "KJV only" that was at least in effect when I was a kid.AFAIK, there never has been such a tradition among the LDS faith. FWIW, the KJV is an English Bible. Perhaps there are some translations of the KJV into other languages, but I doubt many. AFAIK, the Church doesn't even have official Bibles in other languages like Japanese.
Tanyan Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 pseudogratix, I have been answering your question in my posts to this thread. There are many things within the frame of Biblical Christianity.I have begun by stating that Biblical Christianity agrees with what the Bible says about the nature of God, that he is the only God, and that he is not man. Additonally Biblical Christianity believes that God is spirit:John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Benji, The text of John 4:24 does not say that GOD is "a"Spirit in the greek, it says "GOD is Spirit" [Check your NIV]. As any good Bible commentary tells us is that John 4:24 is not describing the totality of GODS "Nature" but is desribing one of his "Attributes", Just as also John states in oher areas tha t GOD is "Love, Light" but not his totality of his Nature/Being.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 Well pseudo, since your so fond of links check this one out:http://www.willowcreek.com/wca_info/statement_of_faith.aspIn addition to what I have already posted this statement of faith is a pretty good definiton of Biblical Christianity as I understand it.As for the KJV only tradition, it was very much alive in my house. in fact, my Dad (our ward clerk at the time) used to exhort me when i referred to God as "you" instead of thou. Has there ever been a standard works published in anything other than the KJV?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 As for the KJV only tradition, it was very much alive in my house. in fact, my Dad (our ward clerk at the time) used to exhort me when i referred to God as "you" instead of thou. Has there ever been a standard works published in anything other than the KJV? Just because the Church chooses to use the KJV in English doesn't mean that it is KJV only. Again, in other languages, the Church doesn't have official versions. It just publishes the triple in other languages. If it were truly KJV only, the Church would no doubt insist on translation of the KJV into other languages as well like with the triple.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 I'm only sharing my personal experience growing up in Mormonism. My Dad (and other LDS teachers I had) always taught me the King James was a "more holy language" and that was why the scriptures were written in it.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 I am curious, why do you think they haven't published the BOM, POGP, or D&C in anything other than the KJV?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 check this one out:http://www.willowcreek.com/wca_info/statement_of_faith.aspOkay, let's discuss the first statement of the page you directed me to.The Bible is God's unique revelation to people. It is the inspired, infallible Word of God, and the supreme and final authority on all matters upon which it teaches. No other writings are vested with such divine authority.I see all sorts of problems with this. For example:[*]The Bible doesn't claim to be a unique revelation.[*]The Bible doesn
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 And I don't mind that you believe it to be an extra-biblical position...Of course the reason that we believe those things, at least in part, is because the much (but not all) of the Bible is historically verifiable by independent sources. It has a great deal of credibility even outside the Christian world to be a great work of literature and history.
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 I'm only sharing my personal experience growing up in Mormonism. My Dad (and other LDS teachers I had) always taught me the King James was a "more holy language" and that was why the scriptures were written in it. I am sure that your father and LDS teachers taught you a lot of things. Now, are you ready to learn more things?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 And I don't mind that you believe it to be an extra-biblical position...Of course the reason that we believe those things, at least in part, is because the much (but not all) of the Bible is historically verifiable by independent sources. It has a great deal of credibility even outside the Christian world to be a great work of literature and history. This has nothing to do with the credibility of the Bible. No one is disputing the Bible here. We are disputing what it does and doesn't claim. For a person, like yourself, to claim that "Bible only" is the correct way to approach Christianity is a contradiction in and of itself. That is my point.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 How is it a contradiction? Who's to say it isn't?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 I am curious, why do you think they haven't published the BOM, POGP, or D&C in anything other than the KJV? I think you may need to reword this. I don't understand your question.
Benji Posted January 26, 2005 Posted January 26, 2005 All three of those books are written in king James English and I'm curious as to your opinion why they haven't been published in something similar to say the NIV?
pseudogratix Posted January 26, 2005 Author Posted January 26, 2005 How is it a contradiction? Who's to say it isn't? It is a contradiction to claim "Bible only" and then go on to make claims that the Bible doesn't make for itself.
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