"replenish" What Does It Mean In Genesis?

[thesometimesaint]

Not sure why you are replying to my comments to Dale, but you are welcome to do so, as long as you don't take them personally:

Your odd reaction that "I've never claimed that science supports the Truth Claims of any religious book including The Book of Mormon. " is certainly out of place and a non-sequitur.  You do realize that I was speaking to Dale about lack of peer reviewed articles in science journals on the Book of Mormon, and not not responding to you.  My response to Dale was factual and logical, your response completely off base.

 

As to your false claim on spontaneous generation having been disproven centuries ago, well, that is just silly.  Perhaps you had a jocular conversation with a paleontologist and you are passing the joke along to me now.  Certainly evolutionary biologists cannot agree with you, which is why they have spent so much effort in my lifetime trying to prove archebiosis.

 

You might want to take up your absurd claim about evolutionary biology and about geologic time with the work of Niles Eldredge and the late Stephen Jay Gould, authors of the theory of punctuated equilibrium.  Why do you think that they did that?  Do you have a clue?  Rapid change is the answer to long periods of stasis (lack of change and lack of fossil transitional forms).

 

Archebiosis is not Abiogenesis

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/spontaneous-generation.html

Modern origins of life research

Oparin's book The Origin of Life in 1924, in which he proposed a chemical theory of the origin of life, was not published in English until 1936. Prior to that, it had been relatively uninfluential except in his native Soviet Union. Oparin (1894-1980) was personally well regarded in the Soviet Union, and was elected early to the Academy of Sciences. He was also unfortunately involved in the Lysenkoist debacle in Soviet genetics, and declared overtly that his views were compatible with the "dialectical materialism" of Soviet Leninism. However, despite this, it appears that the more important influence was the impact of colloid chemistry, then making great strides. {Farley 162-165}

Oparin's hypothesis was this: gels arose out of colloidal solutions which reacted in a way to cause more gels to be formed of the same chemical constitution. As the material in the surrounding watery medium diminished,"the more strongly and bitterly the struggle for existence was waged", so that gels either became "cannabilistic" or evolved to become autotrophs (organisms that metabolise non-living material, such as algae). {Farley 163}

He reasoned that if the early atmosphere lacked free oxygen, which is a product of plant respiration, simple organic compounds formed by vulcanism or lightning, containing the chemical elements that make up life - Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen - would not be destroyed, but would accumulate, forming a broth of organic molecules. {Schopf 121}

Before Oparin's work became known, the English biochemist J. B. S. Haldane, who had since 1923 been working on enzymes, wrote his paper in 1929, published in The Rationalist Annual, on the origin of life, in which he stated that, as a result of biochemistry, "since his [Pasteur's] death the gap between life and matter has been greatly narrowed", and, influenced by d'Hérelle, thought that the bacteriophage was a "step beyond the enzyme on the road to life, but it is perhaps an exaggeration to call it fully alive". The precursors of life were like viruses, due to anaerobic fermentation for millions of years. {Farley 163-164}

Despite many arguments, largely theoretical but with some experimental work, spontaneous generation remained a viable option for the origins of life - for abiogenesis - but it was a very confused field. What caused it to change and become focused was the publication on 23 April 1953 of Crick and Watson's Nature paper on the structure of DNA. Three weeks later, a graduate student at the University of Chicago named Stanley Miller published a paper in Science, on 15 May, entitled "A production of amino acids under possible primitive earth conditions".

Miller was a doctoral student of Nobel laureate Harold C. Urey (a chemist who discovered deuterium), after he heard a lecture by Urey in which he noted in passing that earth's primordial hydrogen-rich (reducing) atmosphere would have been favourable for the formation of simple organic molecules. {Schopf 123} He decided, with Urey's permission, to test this, assuming an atmosphere of molecular hydrogen (H₂), methane (CH₄), ammonia (NH₃) and water vapour (H₂O). Neither Urey nor Miller knew at this point that this was in line with Oparin's hypothesis, but as he prepared for the experiments, Miller read Oparin and mulled it over, along with Urey's hypotheses on the formation of the solar system. {Schopf 125}

He passed the atmosphere through a glass retort, continuously cycling it for several days, while exposing it to heat, electrical arcing, and cooling. After two days, the "ocean" (a flask of water through which the gases were passed) became pale yellow, and on analysis this turned out to be glycine, the simplest amino acid. They repeated the experiment for a week, and in the final yellow-brown solution, Miller detected seven amino acids, including three (glycine, anine and aspartic acid) found in modern living systems. In a period of three and a half months, Miller had confirmed Urey's and Oparin's hypotheses on the formation of the precursor molecules of life.

The claim was never that life had been made, but only that the necessary molecules for life could form spontaneously

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

The punctuational nature of punctuated equilibrium has engendered perhaps the most confusion over Eldredge and Gould's theory. Gould's sympathetic treatment of Richard Goldschmidt,^[38] the controversial geneticist who advocated the idea of "hopeful monsters," only exacerbated the matter, which led some biologists to conclude that Gould's punctuations were occurring in single-generation jumps.^{[39][40][41][42]} This interpretation has frequently been exploited by creationists to mischaracterize the weakness of the paleontological record, and to portray contemporary evolutionary biology as advancing neo-saltationism.^[43] In an often quoted remark, Gould stated, "Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationists—whether through design or stupidity, I do not know—as admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups."^[44] Although there exist some debate over how long the punctuations last, supporters of punctuated equilibrium generally place the figure between 50,000 and 100,000 years.^[45]

[Stone holm]

Oh, any decent commentary on Sura 96 in the Holy Qur'an

ought to delve into this stuff -- (whether in the case of an

individual's conception, or Adam's genesis)...

 

Proclaim!

In the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, who created man,

out of a mere clot of congealed blood.

(Sura 96:1-2)

Thanks

[Uncle Dale]

...

earth's primordial hydrogen-rich (reducing) atmosphere would have been favourable for the formation of simple organic molecules.

...

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting -- how creationists (and some Latter Day Saints)

never take the composition of earth's atmosphere into account

in their polemics.

 

Whether it's geologically datable trapped air molecules from ice cores,

drilled out of thousands of layers deep Antarctic ice -- or from amber --

or even from microscopic evidence left behind in primordial crystals 

and in meteorites, there's evidence about us, awaiting examination.

 

 

Was there a day and age when our "ancestors" (however far back

along the DNA transmission line that term is applicable) could not

survive, having to try and breath our current, 21st century atmospheric

composition? And, was there a time, back before all of that, when

oxygen itself would have been poisonous to them -- when there was

precious little of that gas in the air, or dissolved in the seas?

 

Where is the creationist who will tell me what our atmosphere was

like before Adam's purported first breath, of divine exhalation?

 

UD

[thesometimesaint]

That time was when virtually all "life" was cyanobacteria. Free oxygen kills them. But we do just fine with it.

Edited February 14, 2015 by thesometimesaint