Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 There is one God - Alma 11:26-31There are many Gods - PGP: Abraham chapters 4 & 5God's word is unchangeable - Alma 41:8God's word can change - D&C 56:4-6God dwells in our hearts - Alma 34:36God does not dwell in our hearts - D&C 130:3I'm sure there are more.. but these are some I was just curious about.. why are there multiple disagreeances within the core doctrines? Am I misreading these?
altersteve Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 There is one God - Alma 11:26-31There are many Gods - PGP: Abraham chapters 4 & 5God's word is unchangeable - Alma 41:8God's word can change - D&C 56:4-6God dwells in our hearts - Alma 34:36God does not dwell in our hearts - D&C 130:3I'm sure there are more.. but these are some I was just curious about.. why are there multiple disagreeances within the core doctrines? Am I misreading these?Yes, you are misreading them.1. When the Book of Abraham refers to "the Gods," it is referring to those who created the world (the Father and the Son). But the Father and the Son can also be described as "one God."2. Alma 41:8 tells us that "the decrees of God are unalterable" by man. In D&C 56:4-6, it is clearly the Lord who is revoking His own commandments. He has the authority to do this, because He's God and He does what He wants.3. Alma 34:36 is talking about the Spirit of the Lord (the Holy Ghost), who can dwell in the heart of man since He is a "personage of spirit" (as taught in D&C 130:22). Verse 3 of section 130 teaches us that the Father and the Son cannot "dwell in a man's heart" because they have physical bodies of flesh and bone. 1
ldsfaqs Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 In other words..... Stop quoting some anti-mormon website which quotes scripture out of their context trying to tell a different story (thus lying) than the scripture is actually intending to say.This is a perfect example of how anti-mormons use a "little truth" to tell GREAT LIES.... And who is the Father of Lies?
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Yes, you are misreading them.1. When the Book of Abraham refers to "the Gods," it is referring to those who created the world (the Father and the Son). But the Father and the Son can also be described as "one God."2. Alma 41:8 tells us that "the decrees of God are unalterable" by man. In D&C 56:4-6, it is clearly the Lord who is revoking His own commandments. He has the authority to do this, because He's God and He does what He wants.3. Alma 34:36 is talking about the Spirit of the Lord (the Holy Ghost), who can dwell in the heart of man since He is a "personage of spirit" (as taught in D&C 130:22). Verse 3 of section 130 teaches us that the Father and the Son cannot "dwell in a man's heart" because they have physical bodies of flesh and bone.Fair enough. I can see your points.
altersteve Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Feel free to ask about other "contradictions" that you may find.
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 In other words..... Stop quoting some anti-mormon website which quotes scripture out of their context trying to tell a different story (thus lying) than the scripture is actually intending to say.This is a perfect example of how anti-mormons use a "little truth" to tell GREAT LIES.... And who is the Father of Lies?In other words... you're not very well equipped to respond to people.. why do you come here again?
ldsfaqs Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I was only adding an addendum fact to altersteves statement of fact..... Thus, please refrain from the flame.If you can't handle the fact that you are quoting some anti-mormon website which has done this evil, then it is not my problem.Maybe you need to learn from those who don't lie about others, their religion, etc. in order to try and prove superior their own theology. Edited November 14, 2011 by ldsfaqs
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 I was only adding an addendum fact to altersteves statement of fact..... Thus, please refrain from the flame.No. You were telling me what I was doing, while at the same time, telling me to stop doing it. Then to say that what I was doing was following a bunch of lies, therefore, you sir, are the one flaming... Please refrain from twisting the facts and trying to stay on topic..
ldsfaqs Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Why don't you get over yourself and please move on to something of substance instead of flaming me.I provided insight into the anti-mormon mind, that is all, which had little to do with you save as an "asside". If you don't like my pointing out what you and yours do, then that is not my problem.Anyway, if you have a problem with something I said, address it instead of me. Understand the difference between a personal flame and an indirect criticism? If I said something false, then debunk it with facts and logic. Don't cry like a baby. Edited November 14, 2011 by ldsfaqs
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 I provided insight into the anti-mormon mind, that is all, which had little to do with you save as an "asside". If you don't like my pointing out what you and yours do, then that is not my problem.Could you kindly explain who I am and who my people are?Anyway, if you have a problem with something I said, address it instead of me.If you said it, wouldn't addressing what you said, still be addressing you? lol.. c'mon now, little common sense here goes a long way..Don't cry like a baby.You don't have a shoulder for me to cry on? ...Well here... answer this contradiction for me... (don't worry altersteve, you don't have to reply to this one )John 4:24 tells us that God is Spirit.D&C 130:22-23 says God is flesh and bone...so which is it?
altersteve Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) John 4:24 tells us that God is Spirit.D&C 130:22-23 says God is flesh and bone...so which is it?Both. FAIR said it best:The context of this verse is that Jesus is explaining to a Samaritan woman how one must worship. Jesus teaches that the place of worship, whether Samaria or Jerusalem, is not important, but rather the way one worships. By teaching attributes of God, Jesus teaches how His children can and should relate to Him and worship Him. Latter-day Saints emphatically agree that God is indeed spirit, just as He is love 1John 1:5, light 1John 4:8, and a consuming fire Deuteronomy 4:24, but He is not only spirit, love, light, or fire.The Greek language has no indefinite article ("a" or "an") and so the translator must decide whether to include that word in the English text. But for Latter-day Saints, the presence or absence of the article makes no difference. Latter-day Saints believe both that God is spirit (as an attribute) and that God is a spirit (as a statement of His nature). Similarly, Latter-day Saints believe that all people are also spirits, but spirits housed within a physical body.In the chapter immediately preceding this scripture, in John 3:5-6 , Jesus says the following: Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (NASB)It is clear from the above verse that Jesus considered it entirely possible for a mortal human with a physical body to be spirit. Likewise, it is not inconsistent to believe that God the Father simultaneously has a physical body and "is spirit."Critics read into the passage what is not there. This passage in John does not assert anything about God's corporeal nature or lack thereof. The Latter-day Saint belief that God is an embodied spirit is perfectly consistent with the passage in question and critics are in error to insist that the passage must be interpreted as "God is a disembodied spirit."http://en.fairmormon..._text/John_4:24Any other questions? Edited November 14, 2011 by altersteve
elguanteloko Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Yes, you are misreading them.1. When the Book of Abraham refers to "the Gods," it is referring to those who created the world (the Father and the Son). But the Father and the Son can also be described as "one God."Sure.2. Alma 41:8 tells us that "the decrees of God are unalterable" by man. In D&C 56:4-6, it is clearly the Lord who is revoking His own commandments. He has the authority to do this, because He's God and He does what He wants.Well, God altering his decrees can't possibly mean that God modifies what he already said, correct? No one can alter what you already said. This MUST mean something else and the "something else" door doesn't seem to be too broad. God changes what he wants his people to do and men change, also, what they are going to do (no one can change God's decree either in the same way I mentioned God can't possibly change what he already said). This can only be interpreted as changing direction and that's OBVIOUSLY something that God does. This contradiction still stands.3. Alma 34:36 is talking about the Spirit of the Lord (the Holy Ghost), who can dwell in the heart of man since He is a "personage of spirit" (as taught in D&C 130:22). Verse 3 of section 130 teaches us that the Father and the Son cannot "dwell in a man's heart" because they have physical bodies of flesh and bone.Wait... you don't take "the heart" as symbolic? Do you think God can dwell in my myocardium? What for? I can get God 'dwelling', somehow, in my brain.. but in my heart?
altersteve Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Well, God altering his decrees can't possibly mean that God modifies what he already said, correct? No one can alter what you already said. This MUST mean something else and the "something else" door doesn't seem to be too broad. God changes what he wants his people to do and men change, also, what they are going to do (no one can change God's decree either in the same way I mentioned God can't possibly change what he already said). This can only be interpreted as changing direction and that's OBVIOUSLY something that God does. This contradiction still stands.Again, man cannot alter what God has said, but God can revoke any commandment He gives whenever He wants to. There's no contradiction. You're overthinking this.Wait... you don't take "the heart" as symbolic? Do you think God can dwell in my myocardium? What for? I can get God 'dwelling', somehow, in my brain.. but in my heart?What?
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Both. FAIR said it best:http://en.fairmormon..._text/John_4:24Any other questions? In response to Fair, if God did indeed possess a body of flesh and bone, why would he then be invisible?17Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature
Jesterss Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) and as I have pointed out before, Jesus had to assume and make himself into the form of humans.... shall I repost those quotes as well?edit: also, do you believe God changes his mind? Edited November 14, 2011 by Jesterss
elguanteloko Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Again, man cannot alter what God has said, but God can revoke any commandment He gives whenever He wants to. There's no contradiction. You're overthinking this.How would "man altering God's commandments" look like? Be specific. What would have to happen in order for you to say that a man is altering God's commandments?What?"you don't take "the heart" as symbolic? Do you think God can dwell in my myocardium?" Edited November 14, 2011 by elguanteloko
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