coolrok7 Posted August 6, 2011 Posted August 6, 2011 Brade, your proposition #1 here (I’m assuming is a BofM statement) is not the Biblical statement made in the book of Hebrews (KJV- the appeal being in context to Old Testament saints of God):1. Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.Point #2 isn’t necessarily true just because one believes it is (it’s necessarily true if declared by God to be so): 2. If Bob has faith that P is true, then P is true.Certain things I believe (have faith in) I’ve never seen but others have (testimony which is written down in Biblical Scripture) which I and many others believe are the truth:We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:19-21)Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. . . .They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. (Hebrews 11:1-3, 37-40)The above Biblical verse is based on what is declared to be the word of God and is to be believed as the truth which I accept in faith (lacking nothing in regards to that faith, I have life in His name, Jesus, which is above every other name, through believing the Gospel):Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. (John 20:29-30)Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
subgenius Posted August 6, 2011 Posted August 6, 2011 Please assess each statement as either true or false:1. Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.2. If Bob has faith that P is true, then P is true.1. True2. False i think the flaw with #2 is seen in #1 - "if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true." (emphasis mine)Having Faith in "something" is not what makes something "true" in this context.
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