Why Is Revelation So Offensive To The World?

[bookofmormontruth]

BOMT,

You wrote:

In general, I agree with you about the job the moderators are doing.

You wrote:

You're acting like a little kid at this point. I told you privately that A Course in Miracles was New Age. I was doing you a favor. You asked me privately back where you could see documentation on that point. I provided two references, both of which provide written quotations from the primary source (the book itself). I posted those links here only after you disingenuously posted a CFR here for my documentation even though you already had it.

It is childish and hypocritical to complain that the links I provided were to evangelical sites that regard Mormonism as a theological cult. That fact doesn't negate the fact that the sites accurately state and properly document that A Course in Miracles is New Age. I don't complain when Mormons cite JS-H, even though it asserts that Presbyterianism is not true, that all of the churches with which I am in fellowship are wrong, and that my creeds are an abomination to God.

The official website of ACIM says:

Here is what ACIM says about Jesus:

"The name of , Jesus, is the name of one who was a man but saw the face of Christ in all his brothers and remembered God. So he became identified with Christ, a man no longer, but at one with God. The man was an illusion, for he seemed to be a separate being, walking by himself, within a body that appeared to hold his self from Self, as all illusions do. "

The same part of the Course teaches that sin and death are also mere dreams or illusions:

"And therefore all your sins have been forgiven because they carried no effects at all. And so they were but dreams.... There is no death because the Son of God is like his Father. Nothing you can do can change Eternal Love. Forget your dreams of sin and guilt, and come with me instead to share the resurrection of God's Son."

The Course does not mean the same thing as you or I would mean by "God's Son," let alone by "resurrection"; these terms, along with really every other theological term of significance, gets redefined in the Course. It says, "Death is the central dream from which all illusions stem." The resurrection is "a change of mind about the meaning of the world" in which one comes to recognize that death, evil, and pain are illusions.

You wrote:

I have said nothing against the JSP project. I simply pointed out that a video series on the JSP is a very unlikely place to find a quotation from the Reed Smoot hearings that cannot be found anywhere else. I have repeatedly asked for an actual documentary source of the sentence that you added to Tayler's remarks in those hearings. Apparently, you don't have one. I'm giving up on getting a valid reference for the statement.

You wrote:

You really are something. I didn't take the link to IRR's website off my signature. It was removed without my knowledge or consent by the administrators because if one searches the website one will find one page, out of the dozens of pages of the site, that contains the text of the temple endowment ceremony.

You wrote:

Those are simply flat-out lies. That is, they are untrue, and you know they are untrue. You are bearing false witness against me.

I have often had Mormons like you (I am not generalizing about all Mormons) spout off generalizations about alleged errors or lies on the website who can't back up that criticism with specific examples. But I have always told such people that I welcome constructive criticism of the website. I am open to having a discussion anywhere about anything on IRR's website.

However, I will not participate in such a discussion with you. I will only participate in a discussion in the "focused" section of the forum with someone who (1) uses his or her real name and so demonstrates some accountability for what he or she says, (2) has demonstrated some willingness to engage in respectful, constructive dialogue, and (3) shows an ability to back up his or her statements with real documentation. You fail on all three counts.

*yawn*

[bookofmormontruth]

Irony alert, Rob Bowman, Temple Content Desecrator, is complaining about lack of respect.

Now that the derail is over, perhaps we can get back to the OP?

I can honestly say now, Rob Bowman is the biggest hypocrite I have seen on the interwebs. No wonder the moderators don't even take him seriously.

I brought up his dirty laundry (anti-Mormon material & DVDs / Temple content) hence his private messages and refusal to have the microscope reversed on his sorry of an excuse website. If the studies are correct, that your work and what you do determines a lot of your happiness, Rob Bowman is one miserable man.

[ELF1024]

I can honestly say now, Rob Bowman is the biggest hypocrite I have seen on the interwebs. No wonder the moderators don't even take him seriously.

I brought up his dirty laundry (anti-Mormon material & DVDs / Temple content) hence his private messages and refusal to have the microscope reversed on his sorry of an excuse website. If the studies are correct, that your work and what you do determines a lot of your happiness, Rob Bowman is one miserable man.

Moving along... Why is Revelation so Offensive to the World?

[LeSellers]

I can honestly say now, Rob Bowman is the biggest hypocrite I have seen on the interwebs. No wonder the moderators don't even take him seriously.

Unless one is a mod, I'd be a bit hesitant to claim they don't take anyone seriously.

I brought up his dirty laundry (anti-Mormon material & DVDs / Temple content) hence his private messages and refusal to have the microscope reversed on his sorry of an excuse website. If the studies are correct, that your work and what you do determines a lot of your happiness, Rob Bowman is one miserable man.

That seems a bit harsh.

I am one of Rob's more vocifierous critics.

I detest his work and his motivation. I find his attacks largely pointless, and underhanded.

But it's beyond my ken to know, or speculate on, how miserable he is. (How miserable he will be, though, absent some repentance, is another matter entirely.)

Lehi

[bookofmormontruth]

Moving along... Why is Revelation so Offensive to the World?

Joseph Smith was martyred for it and LDS members are persecuted for it. It is the biggest threat to satan and his followers.

[bookofmormontruth]

Unless one is a mod, I'd be a bit hesitant to claim they take anyone seriously.

That seems a bit harsh.

I am one of Rob's more vocifierous critics.

I detest his work and his motivation. I find his attacks largely pointless, and underhanded.

But it's beyond my ken to know, or speculate on, how miserable he is. (How miserable he will be, though, absent some repentance, is another matter entirely.)

Lehi

This is true and even though it was meant to be harsh, I do feel sorry for the final outcome for him.

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

To go back to the OP, the world hates revelation because if in fact it does exist, it means that God is powerful to work even in these days, and doesn't have to work only through things that He said thousands of years ago.

Given the light of Revelation 19:10 one needs to have revelation even so much as to proclaim, <<Jesus is the Savior>>