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Chris Smith

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We are told in Mark that Jesus' parents didn't believe in him and tried to take him into custody. This is odd, if his birth really was a virgin conception announced by an angel.

Any thoughts on why Jesus' parents might have doubted him?

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I must be reading the wrong Bible because Mark 3:21, 31-34 has nothing to do with Jesus' parents were not in agreement as to who Jesus was and what his role would be. Or am I off on this one?

I don't see it there either.

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Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

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PhilipTraum is that picture, a real picture of mans head being shot and blowing up or exploding?

Where did you get it rotten.com ? or something?

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Mark 3:21 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

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ck,what did you have for breakfast?

That's interesting... the KJV says "friends" where other versions (NIV, Holman) say "family." If we read it as "family," then 31-34 appears to be an attempt by his family to "lay hold of him." Thus, perhaps, his ambivalent reaction to their arrival.

-CK

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That's interesting... the KJV says "friends" where other versions (NIV, Holman) say "family." If we read it as "family," then 31-34 appears to be an attempt by his family to "lay hold of him." Thus, perhaps, his ambivalent reaction to their arrival.

-CK

Is there a reason you left out the other verses you cited?

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PhilipTraum is that picture, a real picture of mans head being shot and blowing up or exploding?

Where did you get it rotten.com ? or something?

I'm guessing it may be a scene from an old movie called 'Scanners'.

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OK, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

Edited: My suspicion has been confirmed by the convenience of youtube. Sorry to indulge the rabbit trail.

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Only to highlight that it's the KJV translation of v. 21 that led you to wonder what I had for breakfast.

Actually, what led me to question your grip on reality this morning, was the whole thing does not seem to say to me that His parents did not believe him.

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the whole thing does not seem to say to me that His parents did not believe him.

Add that passage in Mark together with this:

But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in His own country, and in His own house. And He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:54-58 KJV

Circumstantial evidence...?

(edit) AND this:

"His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that Thy disciples also may see the works that Thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If Thou do these things, show Thyself to the world. For neither did His brethren believe in Him." (John 7:3-5 KJV)

(Note: "brethren" here cannot mean His disciples, or the Twelve, who did believe in Him; those verses are speaking of Jesus' actual physical brothers)

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"His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that Thy disciples also may see the works that Thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If Thou do these things, show Thyself to the world. For neither did His brethren believe in Him." (John 7:3-5 KJV)

(Note: "brethren" here cannot mean His disciples, or the Twelve, who did believe in Him; those verses are speaking of Jesus' actual physical brothers)

This is either evidence that Mary did not remain a virgin and had other children or it is a misinterpretation. Not that I believe Mary and Joseph didn't have other children but my interpretation of this is that "brethern" refers to his followers not his siblings.

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This is either evidence that Mary did not remain a virgin and had other children or it is a misinterpretation.

Not necessarily. All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.

I think CK's observation is very interesting.

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All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.

I'm curious. Which came first: the tradition that Jesus' brothers weren't sons of Mary or the belief that Mary remained a virgin?

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The reason given by Gary Willis in What Jesus Meant is that Jesus may have spent his early years with a desert sect like the Essenes or John the Baptist's followers. Jesus' family might have seen this as the rough equivalent of joining a cult. Thus, despite the promises given them, disillusionment set in. Willis' book is what sparked this thread.

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I'm curious. Which came first: the tradition that Jesus' brothers weren't sons of Mary or the belief that Mary remained a virgin?

I would guess the latter, and the former was created to justify it.

The reason given by Gary Willis in What Jesus Meant is that Jesus may have spent his early years with a desert sect like the Essenes or John the Baptist's followers. Jesus' family might have seen this as the rough equivalent of joining a cult. Thus, despite the promises given them, disillusionment set in. Willis' book is what sparked this thread.

Very interesting. Maybe I should pick up a copy of his book.

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Not necessarily. All Catholics believe Mary remained a virgin but are well aware Jesus had other brothers. As attested by one of the infancy gospels, the tradition is that these were sons of Joseph by a previous wife.

Except that the scriptures do not mention anything about Joseph having been a widower.

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