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In his aticle

Were There Two Cumorahs?

Sidney B. Sperry

Provo, Utah: Maxwell Institute, 1995. Pp. 260â??268

Sperry uses the required proximity of the Hill Shim and the Hill Cumorah to rule out the NY hill as being the one described in the BoM. Most of the advocates of a particular geographic location of the BoM culture try to identify a geographic feature(s) that fits the description of the Hill Cumorah in the BoM but I am interested in what if anything do they identify as the Hill Shim? Sorenson and Palmer designate a hill near the Hill Vigia in southern Veracruz on the basis that it is called Corn Hill. As explained in an article on Meridian The Mayan word for corn is Ixim where the x is pronounced as sh.

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/ancients/0...esoamerica.html

Hill Shim

In Yucatec Maya and other Mayan languages â?? for example, an ear of corn or kernels of corn is ixim (Laughlin 1975: 419) In the Tuxtla Mountains of southern Veracruz, Mexico, one of the mountains is called Cintepec in the Aztec language. Cintepec means "corn hill." The Aztecs lived late in Mesoamerican history and were glossing earlier names with the equivalent in their own language. In Mayan languages, it would be ixim (as mentioned earlier, the x becomes sh in English).

I would be interested in other proposed locations and the justification for choosing them.

Larry P

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In his article Sperry uses the required proximity of the Hill Shim and the Hill Cumorah to rule out the NY hill as being the one described in the BoM. Most of the advocates of a particular geographic location of the BoM culture try to identify a geographic feature(s) that fits the description of the Hill Cumorah in the BoM but I am interested in what if anything do they identify as the Hill Shim? Sorenson and Palmer designate a hill near the Hill Vigia in southern Veracruz on the basis that it is called Corn Hill. As explained in an article on Meridian The Mayan word for corn is Ixim where the x is pronounced as sh.

I would be interested in other proposed locations and the justification for choosing them.

Larry P

It takes some faith to trust the Venice Priddis model. But since it takes faith to believe in the Book of Mormon in the first place, that does not seem so strange.

On page 43 of The Book and the Map her pick for the Hill Shim is the Cerro Hermoso in Ecuador.

Her reasoning is based on the Bay of Quayaquil area being the narrow neck of land. At a certain point, the Jaredite Omer "came over and passed by the Hill Shim". Based on the story this gives a general area. She claims historical records say that the "rememberers of history" in that area are reported as saying that the treasures of the Incas were buried on the slopes of Cerro Hermoso. So she picks this as the Hill Shim.

Cerro%20Hermoso.jpg

This hill is at: 1

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Could you explain why Inca treasure has anything to do with the Jaredites? The Inca empire was during the 1400-1500's a.d. Coriantumr, the last of the Jaredites, was among the people of Zarahemla about 130 B.C.

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"And the Lord warned Omer in a dream that he should depart out of the land; wherefore Omer departed out of the land with his family, and traveled many days, and came over and passed by the hill of Shim, and came over by the place where the Nephites were destroyed, and from thence eastward, and came to a place which was called Ablom, by the seashore, and there he pitched his tent, and also his sons and his daughters, and all his household, save it were Jared and his family." Ether 9:3

1) he should depart out of the land.

2) traveled many days.

3) came over and passed by the hill of Shim.

4) came over by the place where the Nephites were destroyed.

5) from thence eastward...by the seashore.

The Jaredites occupied the land north of the narrow neck. Omer was warned to depart the land currently occupied by the Jaredites, so did he go northward beyond the land occupied by the Jaredites, or did he go southward, possibly across the narrow neck of land? I would choose southward because later, during the reign of Heth, the serpents drove flocks of the Jaredites towards the land which the Nephites called Zarahemla which is southward from the narrow neck of land. Therefore, Omer had to have settled near the narrow neck of land. And since he settled 'out' of the land of the Jaredites, or out of the land northward, that would place Ablom south of the narrow neck of land.

Omer traveled many days, so at what point in his journey did he actually leave the land of the Jaredites? We know from Mormon 2:29 through 4:23 that the hill shim was in the land northward, so Omer was still in the land of the Jaredites when passing the hill Shim. He must have left the land northward just before, or just after passing the hill Cumorah. (This places the hill Cumorah southward from the hill Shim, which means, during the final war of the Nephites, as they were driven well into the land northward, the Lamanites 'stepped aside' after granting Mormon's request, and allowed the Nephites to back-track southward to assemble at the hill Cumorah.)

So, we have the hill Shim on the north side of the narrow neck of land, and the land of Ablom on the south side of the narrow neck of land, and the hill Cumorah somewhere inbetween on either side of the narrow neck of land.

Having the hill Cumorah on the south side of the narrow neck of land explains how the group of 43 sent out by king Limhi to find Zarahemla didn't have to 'unknowingly cross over the narrow neck of land' to get to the hill Cumorah area, and find the record of the Jaredites where the bones of the Jaredites lay.

So, back-tracking the path which Omer took to flee the land, we start at Ablom by the seashore, head west, pass the hill Cumorah, cross the narrow neck of land, then to the hill Shim in the land northward.

This scenario fits quite well with the hill Cumorah in New York, and places the hill Shim in Ontario, Canada.

LB

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little brother, I have read about the seasons of the year as they relate to warfare. How do you reconcile the seasons with a very northern location? Particularly, how do you account for no mention of freezing or cold or snow as impacting the Nephites, Lamanites, or Jaredites?

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little brother, I have read about the seasons of the year as they relate to warfare. How do you reconcile the seasons with a very northern location? Particularly, how do you account for no mention of freezing or cold or snow as impacting the Nephites, Lamanites, or Jaredites?

The earth has a 1,500-year climate cycle: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st/st279/st279.pdf

"A striking example of the effect of this 1,500-year climate cycle can be seen in the temperature-sensitive history of wine-growing in England. The Romans grew wine grapes in England when they occupied it from the first through the fourth centuries. Aerial photography, remote sensing and

large-scale excavation have recently revealed seven Roman-era vineyards in south central England."

"During the Little Ice Age (1300-1850), England was too cold to grow wine grapes. Instead, London often held ice festivals on the frozen Thames River, which hasnâ??t frozen in the last 150 years."

My summary of North America from the same article:

The levels of the Great Lakes are high during the cold portion of the cycle, and low during the warm portion. Around 2500 BC the levels were at their highest (cold), then fell sharply (4.5 meters) from 2500 BC to 1500 BC (warm), remained low for 400 years, then rose slightly around 1100 BC, and were low again at 300 BC (warm). By 900 AD they were very high (cold).

So, the time period from about 2000 BC to about 300 AD was unusally warm; especially in during the reign of Heth (1600 BC?).

"And it came to pass that there began to be a great dearth upon the land, and the inhabitants began to be destroyed exceedingly fast because of the dearth, for there was no rain upon the face of the earth." Ether 9:30

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Also: http://www.earth.columbia.edu/news/2005/story05-19-05.html

"500-Year Drought

Researchers found evidence of a Medieval Warm period from 800 to 1300 B.C. from the striking increases in both charcoal â?? a sign of dry vegetation and fires â?? and pollen from pine and hickory trees. Prior to this warming spell, there were more oaks, which prefer a wetter climate."

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Also, many of the battles recorded in the Book of Mormon occurred "in the commencement" of the year, or "in the latter end" of the year. It appears that their year began in the spring; their first month beginning about the time of the crucifixion of Christ:

"And it came to pass in the thirty and fourth year, in the first month, on the fourth day of the month, there arose a great storm, such an one as never had been known in all the land." 3 Nephi 8:5

LB

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Could you explain why Inca treasure has anything to do with the Jaredites? The Inca empire was during the 1400-1500's a.d. Coriantumr, the last of the Jaredites, was among the people of Zarahemla about 130 B.C.

Well, the Incas took over things that existed before. The Hill Shim became a Nephite sacred treasure place that could have later fallen into Lamanite and eventually Inca hands.

Mormon mentions the Hill Shim in his narration of the Jaredite history. There is no reason to believe the Jaredites called it by the same name. But this mention of it helps give its location based on the Priddis model.

Richard

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