Great Apostasy revisited

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On 8/17/2026 at 9:32 PM, MiserereNobis said:

Do you believe in continuing revelation? or is the primitive Christian Church held to stricter standards than the LDS church when it comes to source material?

Why would that matter when that isn't the topic?  The Catholic church officially denies continued public revelation prior to the Second Coming of Christ according to the Second Vatican Council.  Despite this declaration, they've treated many things as such.  See the Fatima visions, see the determination of canon, etc.

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On 8/16/2026 at 8:31 AM, 3DOP said:

No BlipBlap. That does not follow because we reject the absolute materialist precept that if there was a God, God's mind would be material. Your argument begins with a false supposition.

Even our minds are immaterial. Unlike God, we cannot make matter with a word. But like God, our thoughts and words are immaterial. They don't have physical properties. Our rational faculty is unique in creation. Our ability, like God, to entertain immaterial ideas and concepts are Godlike faculties. Thus, we are made in His image, unlike the irrational creation. That is why we, unlike the irrational creation possess the potential by God's grace to partake of His very nature through His Son who is now like us, an amalgam of matter and spirit, the God-Man. What wonderful good news to learn what can become of us!

We cannot help what materialists believe. But we must insist that materialists grant us our own presuppositions if they are trying to disprove our beliefs.

  

It doesn't begin with a false supposition at all.  What you accept or reject is irrelevant when looking at the problems inherent with your doctrine.  God not having a material mind has nothing at all to do with the fact that, if he created all things, those things would still be products of God.  You can use the term "mind", "thoughts", "ideas", "plan", etc. here interchangeably as they'd all functionally mean the same thing.  If I decide to build a house, what do I need to do first?  Make a plan for it, yes?  Are you claiming that God created all things without any kind of planning or forethought?  That it was all just instinct/reflex/randomness?

What does us not being able to make matter with a word have to do with this?  Why would thoughts and word not having physical properties (words kinda do, the sound used to vocalize them as well as the material to visualize them i.e. ink) matter? 

Presuppositions can only be granted if they have a basis.  Mere "rejection" isn't a basis and doesn't make the idea immune to deconstruction.  Why would I need to grant any presuppositions at all?  I don't grant Reformed churches their presuppositions that the Bible is inerrant, infallible, and the ultimate authority on doctrine because it is based on bad logic, so why should I do any different for you?