Injeun

Why try reason when you can resort to rules. What I said needed saying. If you guys want to cover for him/her, knock yourselves out. One thing is certain, you know where I'm coming from.

You aren't a victim. You are an imposter, posing as a latter day saint so as to undermine the Church's values and lead the unsuspecting away. Your little story about the Hawaiian wedding was a complete fabrication to peddle your doctrines. The giveaway was painting your obedient Mother as a clueless ditz, and Church values as an impediment to your viewing the true beauty of deviancy. Along with your previous posts, it became clear to me that you are playing people. You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. It is a contemptable charade. Are you working alone at this or part of a team?

It's just an observation. Do you suppose that Jesus gospel of repentance and baptism applies to the pure and innocent?

Sometimes, trusting God is trusting that things work out for the good in the end in every circumstance, as the fruit of belief and faith. After all, our lives and everything in them are a gift and miracle not of our making. But we are privileged to participate in it. Sure we can trust in ourselves. But the fruits of faith and labor are a miracle of eternal law, not of our own authority. And our capacity has a limit. So to say look at what all I have done without a God, is to say look at what eternal law has accomplished. And God is the keeper of the law. Our very existence is at his pleasure. It is inescapable. Even the free agency to love and serve him or to not, is his gift to us. So how can we say his charity is truncated, when at all times it is extended to us. Our very souls are entangled with his, or there could be no day of judgment. That we live is testimonial to the God of whom the scriptures testify. So we needn't speak, but to be trees in his vineyard. Or say a word in truth that isn't to his glory, the return of his decree, even bushels of unblemished kindness from reason. Shame isn't in serving God, but in sloth. It isn't a matter of what he can do for us and the glory of the world, but what we can do for him and his glory.

But his gospel is the Fathers gospel of repentance and baptism in keeping with his divinity. He didn't come to save us in our sins, but from them. So the first principles of his love require sacrifice. That's why he refers to himself as the straight gate and narrow way. Curious how some people take Gods long suffering for granted, and his laws as folly, as if entitled to everything and obliged to nothing.

Sounds like an error in communication. Between myself and God, he is perfect and I'm not. So if there is error, it's mine. And it's to me to wait upon him and bide my time.

"Your words have been stout against me, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? 14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts? 15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered. 16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." Malachi 3

Well, you can't trust whom you don't know. At the same time, is the idea of a perfect Father in heaven, an alien concept?

The concept of being judged by a holy God can be a fretful consideration. On the other hand, the humble might find solace and relief in the matter. If one can set aside ones life in consideration of the rightness of God, judgment becomes less fretful and more to Gods pleasing, paring away our trappings, and presenting us to his favor. Thus by faith we leave the miracle to his hand. Or as Nephi said: "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." Perhaps we let too much of the world into the matter, having then more to consecrate without the added means to do so. In short, we bite off more than we can chew, committing ourselves to an exhausting endeavor to please a perfect God. But did he call us to such gluttonous haste? Or does he counsel us to "be still and know that I am God." Therefore we err by defining God to be exacting and impatient, and not allow for who he really is. In so doing, we do to ourselves and to others, being exacting and impatient, never good enough, and not allowing for who we really are. But does this mean that we think we are God. Is it perdition? No, it is that we are co workers with God. And sometimes we forget our place, where we end and God begins. Complicating the matter is the fact that we are his offspring, creating an entanglement which is divine in nature at its core. So we are privileged to work hand in hand with God and have some skin in the game, to participate in our own salvation. Aside from the miracle of the day of my conversion, I try to remember that my life, my breath, and my priesthood like power of free choice, are all gifts from God. So if there is esteem, honor and glory, it is to God, and not to myself. I couldn't even know in my life that God lives, were it not for the intercession of his spirit to awaken me to a remembrance of him, and to know that my true life is in him rather than in myself or in my life alone. I'd still be in that dark pit. Now there is a new light in my sky. And I have no hunger or thirst for the Gods, religions, and philosophies of man. I am reconciled.

I'm not criticizing individual Christ like behavior which can be found anywhere, at Church, at work, out and about, in a tavern, or even in a brothel. I'm rejecting the formalized religion of bible based Christianity for everyone's sake. If you love someone, you tell them the truth. God himself told Joseph Smith not to join any Church because they all teach the doctrines of men, that they draw near him with their lips, but their hearts are far away. God himself laid the axe to the root of that fruitless tree. That's why God restored his true Church thru Joseph Smith. Formal Christianity is a two thousand year old criminal enterprise which began as a hostile takeover of the gospel, after they crucified Jesus and murdered all of his Apostles. Then they formed a new Church around it, allied that Church with powerful governments, and proceeded to conquer the nations of the world in the name of God. Over the years, and with the advent of the printing press and mass production, everyone had access to scriptures, and men could form their own denomination. Now there are tens of thousands of different denominations, established and formalized as presumptuously as the first false Church after the original fell into apostasy following the deaths of its leaders. Traditional Christianity is a formalized crime against God. To call it Christianity as if were united in Christ, when it is divided among tens of thousands of private interpretations, is to advance a falsehood. They aren't aligned with one another, and they aren't aligned with Christ. So it is an imposter, without God, spirit, or authority. It is aligned with nothing. And that is the tradition. Yes, love its captives. But be acquainted with its nature.

It's another bible based religion with its own private interpretation of the same scriptures as the others, distinguishing itself from the next denomination.

The bible, which testifies of one gospel, one Christ, and one God, is a silent witness against the supposed bible based religion which is known as Christianity. This is because the religion is comprised of tens of thousands of differing gospels, Christs, and Gods, one set for each different denomination. So it isn't actually bible based. It's more bible adjacent or reflective, as in an image. It isn't united in Christ, but is divided from within its own particulars. So it has no standing whatsoever from within or without. There is no God in it. It is the work of men, and may as well be the religion of gossip about God. It is the result of men presuming to venture into divine matters and assume authority. I say this, but I don't make it this way. Men have done so. It is self evident. It isn't my religion or God. It is an imposter with tens of thousands of sharp tongues and prison cells, holding 2.6 billion souls captive in its belly. And is two thousand years in the making. So when they say the LDS Church isn't Christian, it means the LDS Church isn't an imposter. The reason they reject the LDS Church is because to welcome it, would be to rend Christianity to the ground as if the stars would fall from the sky and the sun and moon cease to give their light. As an LDS member, I say that God is real, he lives and is divine. And the Bible testimony is true. So there is God and hope. The value in the false religion of Christianity resides in the souls of its captives, not the image it presents. “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, because the Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek. He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn, To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that He might be glorified.” Isaiah 61

I have enough to do. Eternity can manage itself. I defer to the savior. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." (Jesus)

"Of every kind." But not every one of every kind. "The way to life is narrow, And few enter in" Then there are the ten virgins. Five were left out because the Groom didn't know them. In the day of judgment, many would come to Jesus speaking of all they did in his name. He said they were workers of iniquity and that he never knew them. There is a difference between knowing about God and actually knowing him and he you.

When I say I know that God lives, I mean that when he sent his spirit to know me in my heart, body, mind and soul and awaken me to a remembrance of him, then I know him by his having known me. And I realized that my true life is in his spirit, rather than in myself or my life alone. I was in a sense, reborn. As for your testimony, if you ever had one, that God lives and the Church is his true Church. Where did your testimony go? When did God cease to live, and the Church cease to be his Church, if you ever had a testimony that God lives and the Church is his true Church.