How do you manage the rules?

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

It shouldn't be such a taboo to talk about these kind of thinks. That's the nice thing about the Netherlands. You can talk about these things and nobody judge you for it. Being in this position is allready hard enough. People judging you for those feelings makes it only harder and more painfull. 

What do you mean taboo?  I am curious if his description is accurate.  I lived in Canada for many years, it was the first place that felt like home to me that I can remember (no doubt the place I lived until age 7 felt that way too, I just don’t remember the feeling though I remember many things about it).  I am therefore curious about what goes on in Canada.

I face the very great possibility of getting dementia when I am older as my mother, her mother, and her grandmother all had it in the last years.  I am hoping the Church changes its position on euthanasia in regards to extreme health conditions as the combination of my health issues plus dementia is not something I look forward to.  I am really hoping I take after my dad’s side of the family.

[Calm]

29 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

I don't know about that though. I feel like "paying it forward" is not the right term. Maybe it should have a differend kind of name. But yeah...that's just my believe. 

“Paying it forward” is an English idiom meaning returning the good that is done to you by doing good to someone else.  It means good can have a ripple effect of spreading through the world because people do good not because it benefits them, but because it benefits others.

It comes from the idea of a loan where instead of repaying the original creditor, you loan that money to another.  By doing this, the original creditor can help an endless series of people, people they never meet, as can everyone who joins the chain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward

 

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Regarding money, the concept was described by Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Benjamin Webb dated April 25, 1784:^[3]

I do not pretend to give such a deed; I only lend it to you. When you [...] meet with another honest Man in similar Distress, you must pay me by lending this Sum to him; enjoining him to discharge the Debt by a like operation, when he shall be able, and shall meet with another opportunity. I hope it may thus go thro' many hands, before it meets with a Knave that will stop its Progress. This is a trick of mine for doing a deal of good with a little money

 

[Dario_M]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

What do you mean taboo?  I am curious if his description is accurate.  I lived in Canada for many years, it was the first place that felt like home to me that I can remember (no doubt the place I lived until age 7 felt that way too, I just don’t remember the feeling though I remember many things about it).  I am therefore curious about what goes on in Canada.

Not in Canada though. But i know that in some places talking about euthanasia is kind of a taboo and people like to avoid the subject. And i sincerely don't understand why. With "taboo" i mean subjects that people don't like to talk about. Or they disapprove.

You know... if a dog or a cat suffers a lot it is quite common that the animal owner puts the animal down. If the animal owner does not put his/her animal down then the animal owner most likely will get a lot if criticism from other people about how cruel and selvish it is to let the dog or cat suffer like that.  But when it comes to humans who suffer and they wanna get put down (receive euthanasia), everyone seems to think the opposite. Now suddenly the human who suffers is the one who is selvish. Because of...a thousand reasons you can think of. Causing your loved ones pain for example, because you don't wanna live anymore or whatever.

But please. Please...🙏🙏🙏 i wanna be treated like a dog or a cat. When i suffer so much that my life is unbearable (wich allready have been the case in the past) i wanna get put down as well. I wanna have somebody put that needle into my arm and give me the euthanasia that will release me from my pain. So that i can have a dignified end. 

4 hours ago, Calm said:

I face the very great possibility of getting dementia when I am older as my mother, her mother, and her grandmother all had it in the last years.

Oh how horible. So you know that most likely you will get dementia as well at some point? That must be thoug to have that knowlege. 

4 hours ago, Calm said:

 I am hoping the Church changes its position on euthanasia in regards to extreme health conditions as the combination of my health issues plus dementia is not something I look forward to.  I am really hoping I take after my dad’s side of the family.

I can understand that. Dementia is just horible. I can understand that you're not looking foward to that. Lets's pray that you won't go into that direction and you will have more of the genes from your dad's side. 🙏 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

41 minutes ago, Calm said:

“Paying it forward” is an English idiom meaning returning the good that is done to you by doing good to someone else.  It means good can have a ripple effect of spreading through the world because people do good not because it benefits them, but because it benefits others.

I know. It basically means that you have a debt by somebody and you still need to pay for that debt. Because that person have given you the option to pay afterwards instead of paying it right away.  

41 minutes ago, Calm said:

It comes from the idea of a loan where instead of repaying the original creditor, you loan that money to another.  By doing this, the original creditor can help an endless series of people, people they never meet, as can everyone who joins the chain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_it_forward

 

That habit is not common here. Here you need to pay right away for something or you basiccaly don't get what you want right away. 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Dario_M

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Yeah you know..i'm not an alcoholic. I only drink on special moments. The last time i drank alcohol was 5 months ago. But thank you for your step by step plan anyway. 

I didn't think that you were an alcoholic.  However, the 12-step system is applicable to any addiction or compulsion.

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I didn't think that you were an alcoholic.  However, the 12-step system is applicable to any addiction or compulsion.

I know that. Thank you very much for your step by step plan anyway. Your gesture is very generous. 🩵

Edited November 6, 2024 by Dario_M

[CV75]

7 hours ago, Dario_M said:

The easiest commandment is that i don't murder somebody. And that i don't swear with the name of God.

Yes, i would feel closer if i would keep all the commandments. 

I was really emotional the moment i got baptized and received the holy ghost. I can remember that. My baptizing was the only positive thing that happend to me in all my time i've spend in Portugal. 

Sounds like a reasonable start! Which is the next commandment or practice you can set your mind to keep? The Holy Ghost will help you do both. And you will continue keeping the other commandments, and you build from there. 

[Dario_M]

1 minute ago, CV75 said:

Sounds like a reasonable start! Which is the next commandment or practice you can set your mind to keep? The Holy Ghost will help you do both. And you will continue keeping the other commandments, and you build from there. 

The next 2 commandments i wanna go for are:

1, that i would never commit adultery ever again.

2, that i never shall bear false witness. 

Thank you for your good idea. For the coming period i will fight to keep these 2 commandments and obey them. 💪

[CV75]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

The next 2 commandments i wanna go for are:

1, that i would never commit adultery ever again.

2, that i never shall bear false witness. 

Thank you for your good idea. For the coming period i will fight to keep these 2 commandments and obey them. 💪

And apply the "practices" as well as the "commandments" -- pray, read the scriptures, try fasting... above all, don't fret but approach the ever-patient Lord.

[Dario_M]

18 minutes ago, CV75 said:

And apply the "practices" as well as the "commandments" -- pray, read the scriptures, try fasting... above all, don't fret but approach the ever-patient Lord.

Yes i will do that for sure. God bless. 🙏

[JVW]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

Cfr please

Thanks for the CFR callout, here's the best article I could find on it. It has a link to the original clip suggesting what I said above, and a very, thorough rebuttal to the clip. https://maidincanada.substack.com/p/the-horrifying-misinformation-about

If wherever Dario lives uses the same drugs then it just sounds like being put down like a dog. Get super relaxed, put under, and then the diaphragm gets paralyzed. On the other hand, sounds like America is business as usual in torturing people to death. If Dario ever seriously considers it, just make sure you understand the protocol in detail beforehand to avoid any potential, unnecessary pain.

I personally think it'd be better to not have somebody kill you professionally, but that's just me.

 

[Dario_M]

16 minutes ago, JVW said:

Thanks for the CFR callout, here's the best article I could find on it. It has a link to the original clip suggesting what I said above, and a very, thorough rebuttal to the clip. https://maidincanada.substack.com/p/the-horrifying-misinformation-about

If wherever Dario lives uses the same drugs then it just sounds like being put down like a dog. Get super relaxed, put under, and then the diaphragm gets paralyzed. On the other hand, sounds like America is business as usual in torturing people to death. If Dario ever seriously considers it, just make sure you understand the protocol in detail beforehand to avoid any potential, unnecessary pain.

I personally think it'd be better to not have somebody kill you professionally, but that's just me.

 

Thank you. I see that Canada is really easy going with Euthanasia. If i ever come so far that i really can't handle my life anymore and the Netherlands would refuse to help me with euthanasia for whatever reason i would try it in Canada. Or Belgium. I heard that in Belgium they put you down easier then in the Netherlands. But if i lie and say that i suffer horible .....back pains or so..the Netherlands bound to give me a dignified death as well. That's what the Netherlands always have advertized for anyway. Especially for people who have horible physical pain, physical suffering. 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Dario_M

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I didn't think that you were an alcoholic.  However, the 12-step system is applicable to any addiction or compulsion.

What are you saying Dario is addicted to?

[The Nehor]

50 minutes ago, JVW said:

Thanks for the CFR callout, here's the best article I could find on it. It has a link to the original clip suggesting what I said above, and a very, thorough rebuttal to the clip. https://maidincanada.substack.com/p/the-horrifying-misinformation-about

If wherever Dario lives uses the same drugs then it just sounds like being put down like a dog. Get super relaxed, put under, and then the diaphragm gets paralyzed. On the other hand, sounds like America is business as usual in torturing people to death. If Dario ever seriously considers it, just make sure you understand the protocol in detail beforehand to avoid any potential, unnecessary pain.

I personally think it'd be better to not have somebody kill you professionally, but that's just me.

 

That article you put there is literally a rebuttal of what you are saying.

[2BizE]

I too struggle with keeping some of the commandments, in particular D&C 89. For example, I find I don’t eat meat as sparingly as I should (vs 12) and I also do not drink beer, which I know I should be drinking (vs 17).  

[Tacenda]

15 hours ago, Dario_M said:

I know that. Thank you very much for your step by step plan anyway. Your gesture is very generous. 🩵

My friend and her husband are serving a mission for the church where they attend weekly meetings with those with addictions.

[rodheadlee]

19 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Thank you @rodheadlee for your upvote. 💪⬆️👍

I'm having a really tough time with the rules too. Coffee and cigarettes are my sin and they are stunting my growth in the church  but not necessarily my spiritual growth. I still feel close to Heavenly Father. I just need help of others to get certain things accomplished. 

[Dario_M]

4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

My friend and her husband are serving a mission for the church where they attend weekly meetings with those with addictions.

That's really good of your friend. 

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

I'm having a really tough time with the rules too. Coffee and cigarettes are my sin and they are stunting my growth in the church.

Oh my...tell me about it. Bevore Corona i also used the smoke. I loved it and i had a really difficult time quitting it. At that time (when i had friends) i loved to smoke together with my friends as well. Or smoking together with my sister. Or when i drove back from visiting my boyfrien who at that time still lived with his parents in Amsterdam. I was always stressed out after a car drive of nearly an hour. So what i always did after arived at my home late in the evening i went to my garden and smoked a nice cigarette. And completaly relaxt. Oh my...good times. Smoking sigarettes is so addictive. I have smoked for 8 years. So i can completely understand why you have a hard time quitting it. 

2 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

 

But not necessarily my spiritual growth. I still feel close to Heavenly Father. I just need help of others to get certain things accomplished. 

Yeah i also think that. If you really wanna stop smoking you will need the help from others. Quit smoking is really difficult and i don't recommend you quitting cold turkey. Nicotine gum can help you stop smoking. But be aware. Nicotine gum is also addictive and bevore you know you have traded one addiction for another. 

[Dario_M]

Thank you @rodheadlee 🏆

[Tacenda]

9 hours ago, Dario_M said:

That's really good of your friend. 

A couple of years ago I took my alcoholic brother to one of these meetings the church started, it was nice and all but my brother has been to so many rehabs I've lost count and hasn't been able to kick his addiction. He now sits in jail after his last DUI ticket. He had intentions of ending his life and drove his truck to the mountains. It wasn't the regular police that found him it was the police ranger, now forgot the word for it.

He now suffers with cirrhosis of the liver and probably shouldn't be alive today, but keeps living and suffering with it. He has a great career as a Glazier and will get hired over and over after these bouts with alcohol. But the addiction is so strong that it's almost impossible for him to kick it. I understand how social drinking has been fine for people, but I wish alcohol never existed after watching two brothers with alcoholism. 

[Dario_M]

28 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

A couple of years ago I took my alcoholic brother to one of these meetings the church started, it was nice and all but my brother has been to so many rehabs I've lost count and hasn't been able to kick his addiction. He now sits in jail after his last DUI ticket. He had intentions of ending his life and drove his truck to the mountains. It wasn't the regular police that found him it was the police ranger, now forgot the word for it.

Aaawh. That's so said for you brother. And now he is in Prison. That's fussed up. I also had a period that i wanted to drive myself into a tree. But i never did it. At that time i was not that depressed like i am now. But anyway..this must be hard for your brother. Being in jail is not fun. I've been in a psychiatric ward. And they didn't allowed me to go outside. Was in Portugal. That psychiatric ward was a straigt up prison. After a month spending my time on there i was losing my insanity of being trapped in there. 

28 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

He now suffers with cirrhosis of the liver and probably shouldn't be alive today, but keeps living and suffering with it. He has a great career as a Glazier and will get hired over and over after these bouts with alcohol. But the addiction is so strong that it's almost impossible for him to kick it. I understand how social drinking has been fine for people, but I wish alcohol never existed after watching two brothers with alcoholism. 

I can fully understand you. I actually find that alcohol should be forbidden completely to be honest. It has damaged so many people who got seriously addicted to it. And you know...alcohol is so bad for the liver. And having liver problems is very very horible. I hope for your brother that he will get better times in the future. 🫂

[JVW]

22 hours ago, The Nehor said:

That article you put there is literally a rebuttal of what you are saying.

Yes, yes it is. Which is why I thanked Calm for the CFR so that I could gain more knowledge of things as they actually are, not based on rumors and heresay.

[JVW]

18 hours ago, 2BizE said:

I too struggle with keeping some of the commandments, in particular D&C 89. For example, I find I don’t eat meat as sparingly as I should (vs 12) and I also do not drink beer, which I know I should be drinking (vs 17).  

I don't know why I  can't like your post, but that was hilarious.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

18 minutes ago, JVW said:

I don't know why I  can't like your post, but that was hilarious.

Some people were less valiant in the pre-existence and hence have fewer board privileges. Limited status can't start threads, can't give feedback. Likely someday to be my fate.