Christian Mormon Posted August 4, 2024 Posted August 4, 2024 I use Google news section and I put in the keyword search terms" israel" And I can see all of this stuff happening around that area and I'm just wondering if the announcement had built the temple in Jerusalem is around the corner? My favorite lds website to look at all the prophecies is this website called Ldslastdays.com What do you think needs to happen before the prophecy is fulfilled? 1
blackstrap Posted August 4, 2024 Posted August 4, 2024 1. Who do you think will build the temple ? 2. The Jews are still looking for that special ' calf ' . 3. The Muslims might have something to say about construction on the temple mount. 4. It does seem that the prophecy about the whole world uniting against Israel is getting closer to fulfillment. 2
rpn Posted August 4, 2024 Posted August 4, 2024 If you knew how long and hard it was 30 years ago to get the Jerusalem Study Abroad place, you would be thinking probably not for a long time. (Not to mention that the Israeli government doesn't really represent THE jewish faith (which jews can't seem to all agree upon either). 2
Kenngo1969 Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 (edited) To answer the opening post, I don't know how close we are to building the Jerusalem Temple, other than that we're closer today than we were yesterday, and we'll be closer tomorrow than we were today. The only counsel I've paid much attention to in relation to events leading up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is that it is difficult ... nay, impossible ... and likely, unwise, to attempt to put those events in any kind of a sequence. Anyone who attempts to do so is likely to be confused and disappointed when the Lord, who knows the end from the beginning, deviates from the proffered sequence. On 8/4/2024 at 4:48 PM, blackstrap said: 1. Who do you think will build the temple ? [Ken]: My understanding is that whoever does so, it will be under the auspices of then-existing Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints authority. There will not be any authorization that is separate and apart from such authority. (I might be able to look back through my thousand pages or so of notes to find a source ... ) 2. The Jews are still looking for that special ' calf ' . [Ken]: Other comments have addressed that. I don't have anything to add. I doubt I have anything in my notes that addresses it in any way other than in passing. 3. The Muslims might have something to say about construction on the temple mount. [Ken]: Perhaps, though my studies, for whatever they may be worth (or not) have not uncovered anything to indicate that the Temple built at Jerusalem must be built at the precise site where the Dome of the Rock stands now. My studies (for whatever they may be worth) have disabused me of the notion that, when it comes to building the Temple, Jews and Muslims will be like passengers on a crowded airliner jostling each other for elbow room. My impression, now, is that there will be plenty of room for both. 4. It does seem that the prophecy about the whole world uniting against Israel is getting closer to fulfillment. [Ken]: Indeed, it does. I wondered how, exactly ... when it seemed that the United States was solidly in Israel's corner (and willing to do more than pay lip service to that notion, at that) ... the world could unite against Israel. No longer do I wonder that, and, frankly, that worries me. For whatever any of this is worth. My $0.02, actual value, as always, much less. P.S.: And then there's this thread from 2017 with respect, specifically, to the Red Heifer. A lot more questions than answers, but, still, it may provide some useful avenues for anyone who might be interested in investigating the topic further: Happy reading! Edited August 6, 2024 by Kenngo1969 2
blackstrap Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 I recall reading an article about the temple mount ( no CFR ) which said that the place of the original temple was such that no demolition would be needed and both buildings could be there. I still think there would be strong opposition, as is so unusual in the area. 🥴 1
sunstoned Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 Middle Eastern wars and conflicts have been going on for hundreds of years. I'm sure some medieval crusaders thought Saladin's army was the physical manifestation of God and Magog. My dad wouldn't let me take the car to college my Freshman year because of the Yom Kippur War which he was sure would usher in the end of days. There is nothing new under the sun. 3
Stargazer Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 10 hours ago, sunstoned said: Middle Eastern wars and conflicts have been going on for hundreds of years. I'm sure some medieval crusaders thought Saladin's army was the physical manifestation of God and Magog. My dad wouldn't let me take the car to college my Freshman year because of the Yom Kippur War which he was sure would usher in the end of days. There is nothing new under the sun. I think the thing to keep in mind is that we need to be ready for the Lord's return in our own minds, and spirits, and behavior. And know that what will happen will happen. It's out of our control. As long as we are found righteous, no matter what goes on "over there" it will be well with us. 2
Bernard Gui Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 13 hours ago, sunstoned said: Middle Eastern wars and conflicts have been going on for hundreds of years. I'm sure some medieval crusaders thought Saladin's army was the physical manifestation of God and Magog. My dad wouldn't let me take the car to college my Freshman year because of the Yom Kippur War which he was sure would usher in the end of days. There is nothing new under the sun. All will be new when the Lord comes again. 2
Bernard Gui Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, Stargazer said: I think the thing to keep in mind is that we need to be ready for the Lord's return in our own minds, and spirits, and behavior. And know that what will happen will happen. It's out of our control. As long as we are found righteous, no matter what goes on "over there" it will be well with us. Either the Lord will come to us or we will go to the Lord. I’m fine with both. Edited August 5, 2024 by Bernard Gui 1
blackstrap Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 We are only 6 years away from the 200th anniversary of the establishment of the Church. As far as I know Christ has not returned yet. In the early days of the Church most members were certain the the Second Coming was right around the corner and that they were likely to see it . If you had told them that in 200 years we would still be looking forward to that event they would have had a deep dent in their faith. The book by BRM , Mormon Doctrine , outlined about 55 " signs of the times ". Some had been fulfilled already, some likely soon, and many others yet to come . Personally, I am in no rush to see the destructions prophesied , but recognize the hair trigger for such that we live with now. 2
Nofear Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 The Temple Institute is one (I believe of a handful? no citation) organization that has made most of the ritual objects for a rebuilt temple. Doesn't answer the OP, but if it is built, there are those who want to be "ready" according to their understanding. https://templeinstitute.org/frequently-asked-questions/ 1
Calm Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 (edited) There was an Evangelical organization that was breeding calves to meet the requirement iirc, maintains the red color even with age. They were donating them…maybe not for the same ultimate reason. There were several available last I looked at it, but they might have not been old enough yet. Here’s the article I read before. https://www.jpost.com/judaism/article-717650 Edited August 5, 2024 by Calm
Stargazer Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 1 hour ago, blackstrap said: We are only 6 years away from the 200th anniversary of the establishment of the Church. As far as I know Christ has not returned yet. In the early days of the Church most members were certain the the Second Coming was right around the corner and that they were likely to see it . If you had told them that in 200 years we would still be looking forward to that event they would have had a deep dent in their faith. The book by BRM , Mormon Doctrine , outlined about 55 " signs of the times ". Some had been fulfilled already, some likely soon, and many others yet to come . Personally, I am in no rush to see the destructions prophesied , but recognize the hair trigger for such that we live with now. In the early days of the original church most members were certain the 2nd coming was right around the corner, too. Meanwhile, 2,000 years later... But it seems that things are starting to pile up. 1
CV75 Posted August 5, 2024 Posted August 5, 2024 On 8/4/2024 at 6:35 PM, Christian Mormon said: I use Google news section and I put in the keyword search terms" israel" And I can see all of this stuff happening around that area and I'm just wondering if the announcement had built the temple in Jerusalem is around the corner? My favorite lds website to look at all the prophecies is this website called Ldslastdays.com What do you think needs to happen before the prophecy is fulfilled? Ever since the 2nd Temple was destroyed, there has been an old Jewish hope that the Third Temple will be rebuilt. Where is this confirmed in the latter-day scriptures? From these I know there will be a temple in the New Jerusalem (Zion); two Millennial seats of reigning power (Zion and Jerusalem); all these terms and others (including "Israel" and even "temple") can be used metaphorically as well as literally. What is the actual prophecy -- something said in General Conference or a journal? Please provide; thank you in advance. 1
Bernard Gui Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 6 hours ago, Nofear said: The Temple Institute is one (I believe of a handful? no citation) organization that has made most of the ritual objects for a rebuilt temple. Doesn't answer the OP, but if it is built, there are those who want to be "ready" according to their understanding. https://templeinstitute.org/frequently-asked-questions/ There is a lot of great information on that website. I have been following them for years. Their discussion of the Urim and Thumim is very interesting for us Latter-day Saints.
sunstoned Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 11 hours ago, Stargazer said: I think the thing to keep in mind is that we need to be ready for the Lord's return in our own minds, and spirits, and behavior. And know that what will happen will happen. It's out of our control. As long as we are found righteous, no matter what goes on "over there" it will be well with us. The way I look at it is you live your best life. Does it really matter if a person sees Jesus when he returns or after a person dies of old age and sees him on the other side? 2
manol Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 (edited) On 8/4/2024 at 11:57 PM, Kenngo1969 said: To answer the opening post, I don't know how close we are to building the Jerusalem Temple, other than that we're closer today than we were yesterday, and we'll be closer tomorrow than we were today. The only counsel I've paid much attention to in relation to events leading up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is that it is difficult ... nay, impossible ... and likely, unwise, to attempt to put those events in any kind of a sequence. Anyone who attempts to do so is likely to be confused and disappointed when the Lord, who knows the end from the beginning, deviates from the proffered sequence. I think you're right. Four decades ago I went through a bunch of chapters of scripture and figured out what I thought was the sequence of events and presumptive timespans between events. Must have worked on it for a time, times, and half a time. My end-times focus justified me buying some cool prepper gear in case I had to defend my stash of wheat and powdered milk from my starving non-member neighbors. It was fun for a while but it didn't bring me any closer to God. Not saying any of my experience is applicable to anyone else. The following is just my opinion in retrospect: I think my job is to become the same manner of man (or woman) as Christ. I think I am supposed to treat the least among us as if they are the Christ in disguise. I think the First and Second Great Commandments matter far more than whether I can accurately correlate events on the news with end-times prophecies. 1 hour ago, sunstoned said: The way I look at it is you live your best life. Does it really matter if a person sees Jesus when he returns or after a person dies of old age and sees him on the other side? Agreed. And we may have been looking in the wrong direction: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is WITHIN you." (Luke 17:20-21, emphasis mine) Edited August 6, 2024 by manol
Dario_M Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 Oh my.. is there not allready an LDS temple in Jerusalem? Or other parts of Isreal?
CV75 Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 5 hours ago, Dario_M said: Oh my.. is there not allready an LDS temple in Jerusalem? Or other parts of Isreal? Someday there will be a physical temple there, I guess, by virtue of their "dotting the land" (Joseph F. Smith, 1900), which scope has expanded across the globe since then. Also because Jerusalem will be one of two seats of government in the Millennium (Zion/New Jerusalem being the other).
Kenngo1969 Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 6 hours ago, Dario_M said: Oh my.. is there not allready an LDS temple in Jerusalem? Or other parts of Isreal? Not yet. About as close as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has come to building a Temple in Israel is that one has been announced for Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. (It is still in the planning and approval phase, apparently, as not much has happened publicly since the announcement.) 1
Calm Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 7 hours ago, Dario_M said: Oh my.. is there not allready an LDS temple in Jerusalem? Or other parts of Isreal? Here are some maps of temple locations around the world. You will notice a lack of them in Russia and China (there is one in Hong Kong and ones planned for Russia and Mongolia, but not built yet…Russia seems to be having problems as it has been several years and the location is not announced yet, there have been difficulties with missionary work and other stuff, so the temple may not happen for awhile). There aren’t any temples yet as far as I know in the Middle East, one is planned for Dubai. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/see-locations-of-churchs-315-temples-across-6-maps 1
Kenngo1969 Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 On 8/4/2024 at 11:43 PM, blackstrap said: I recall reading an article about the temple mount ( no CFR ) which said that the place of the original temple was such that no demolition would be needed and both buildings could be there. I still think there would be strong opposition, as is so unusual in the area. 🥴 For what it's worth, glancing through my notes, I found this, from David J. Ridges, 65 Signs of the Times (2009) Springville UT: Cedar Fort Inc. “Nowhere in the scriptures does it state that the Jerusalem Temple has to be built on the exact site of the Dome of the Rock, a mosque that is so sacred to Muslims. There is actually plenty of room on the so-called ‘Temple Mount’ for both.” 65 Signs of the Times Leading Up to the Second Coming 125. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 7 minutes ago, Calm said: Here are some maps of temple locations around the world. You will notice a lack of them in Russia and China (there is one in Hong Kong and ones planned for Russia and Mongolia, but not built yet…Russia seems to be having problems as it has been several years and the location is not announced yet, there have been difficulties with missionary work and other stuff, so the temple may not happen for awhile). There aren’t any temples yet as far as I know in the Middle East, one is planned for Dubai. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/see-locations-of-churchs-315-temples-across-6-maps Jinx! 1
Calm Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 15 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Jinx! Lol, while I didn’t use that particular wording, I was thinking the same thing. 1
Stargazer Posted August 6, 2024 Posted August 6, 2024 11 hours ago, sunstoned said: The way I look at it is you live your best life. Does it really matter if a person sees Jesus when he returns or after a person dies of old age and sees him on the other side? It doesn't. The vast majority will not see His return. And a fair number will die during the tribulation immediately before that return. I'd still like to see it happen during my lifetime, though.
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