Have you seen the presiding authority correct doctrine or stop a long talk?

[Rain]

I would like to keep this light so I don't want to discuss why it happens etc.  Just curious if you have ever seen the presiding authority in Sacrament meeting correct doctrine or stop someone running overtime.

I've never seen doctrine corrected and I've heard some very incorrect doctrine taught. Nearly every week talks run over time and I've never seen someone put a stop to it.  Never in 55 years.

Have you seen it done? A lot? Did it happen more in some of your wards than others?

[bluebell]

I've seen them stand up after someone gets a little off course and "clarify".  Maybe two or three times in my life.  

[MustardSeed]

I wish.
We had a guy get up last month and talk about his military tour and went into gory detail about what he experienced. I mean like bad. If nobody stopped that I can’t imagine anything getting stopped.

Then there was the visitor who walked up during testimony meeting and spent a half an hour selling a product. Nobody invited him to sit down. Apparently the trap door does not work in my area.
 

My relief, society president, 10 years ago did correct some false doctrine explicitly during relief society. That was awesome. 
 

Sometimes when opinions are shared as doctrine, I will raise my hand and state that it’s not doctrine but that was mostly in my 30s. I’m definitely no authority.

 

[MustardSeed]

I do have to add that when my current Bishop was put in about three months ago, he was invited up to talk by the stake president and he rambled on and on and on, and the stake  president got up, whispered in his ear, and he quickly wrapped it up🤪

Edited November 28, 2023 by MustardSeed

[blackstrap]

For the overtime speaker, the Bishop should cue the organist to do like the Oscars does and start playing a hymn. I suggest , " The Time is Far Spent " . 

[BRMC]

42 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I've seen them stand up after someone gets a little off course and "clarify".  Maybe two or three times in my life.  

Did it yesterday. 

[InCognitus]

46 minutes ago, Rain said:

I would like to keep this light so I don't want to discuss why it happens etc.  Just curious if you have ever seen the presiding authority in Sacrament meeting correct doctrine or stop someone running overtime.

I've never seen doctrine corrected and I've heard some very incorrect doctrine taught. Nearly every week talks run over time and I've never seen someone put a stop to it.  Never in 55 years.

Have you seen it done? A lot? Did it happen more in some of your wards than others?

If you look on Youtube, you can find more than one example of where someone made a video recording of a sacrament meeting when they were obviously anticipating a controversial speaker at testimony meeting and their possible removal from the podium.  I remembered coming across some of these before, but I looked again just now and the one I found shows the man at the podium being asked to stop talking and he was escorted from the stand during the testimony meeting.  Unfortunately this has become a "thing" for Youtube.

Edited November 28, 2023 by InCognitus

[Doctrine 612]

Yes.

 

years ago during fast and testimony meeting. 
 

a guy gets and explains why he should be the bishop.

he rambled on and on and said something about being a descendant of Aaron and that it’s his right. 
 

they told him to sit down.

 

there was some talk later about it.

but never saw that guy again 

[Diamondhands69]

1 hour ago, InCognitus said:

If you look on Youtube, you can find more than one example of where someone made a video recording of a sacrament meeting when they were obviously anticipating a controversial speaker at testimony meeting and their possible removal from the podium.  I remembered coming across some of these before, but I looked again just now and the one I found shows the man at the podium being asked to stop talking and he was escorted from the stand during the testimony meeting.  Unfortunately this has become a "thing" for Youtube.

“New name noah” pulled a lengthy undercover operation and confessed it during a church talk. He was removed. 
 

we had women removed two times from the pulpit during stake conference. They were promoting the ERA. Both were removed. Also we had women stand up and holler during the sustaining. This was all ERA stuff. 

[Pyreaux]

1 hour ago, Diamondhands69 said:

“New name noah” pulled a lengthy undercover operation and confessed it during a church talk. He was removed. 
 

we had women removed two times from the pulpit during stake conference. They were promoting the ERA. Both were removed. Also we had women stand up and holler during the sustaining. This was all ERA stuff. 

My mind is stuck right now, what is ERA?

[Diamondhands69]

30 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

My mind is stuck right now, what is ERA?

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Why_did_Mormon_leaders_oppose_the_Equal_Rights_Amendment_(ERA)_in_the_United_States%3F#:~:text=The concern was that the,the ERA an unnecessary risk.

[Pyreaux]

55 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Why_did_Mormon_leaders_oppose_the_Equal_Rights_Amendment_(ERA)_in_the_United_States%3F#:~:text=The concern was that the,the ERA an unnecessary risk.

Thank you, you may all carry on.

[Duncan]

I can't recall now but I certainly wish I had!!

[CV75]

14 hours ago, Rain said:

I would like to keep this light so I don't want to discuss why it happens etc.  Just curious if you have ever seen the presiding authority in Sacrament meeting correct doctrine or stop someone running overtime.

I've never seen doctrine corrected and I've heard some very incorrect doctrine taught. Nearly every week talks run over time and I've never seen someone put a stop to it.  Never in 55 years.

Have you seen it done? A lot? Did it happen more in some of your wards than others?

I've seen it done maybe 8 times in 48 years. People speaking too long almost every time, people speaking too long and with false doctrine maybe 3 times (and the correction was made later in the meeting), telling someone to stop and sit down, at least twice and they were over relgiopolitical ranting.

More than once, in stake conference, someone said something that sounded "off" or controversial from the pulpit and the stake president only had something nice to say about their remarks anyway. No correction, directly, as far as I could tell. He seemed to rely on the Spirit's presence in the meeting to keep the atmosphere positive. He later became an area authority seventy.

[Rain]

35 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I've seen it done maybe 8 times in 48 years. People speaking too long almost every time, people speaking too long and with false doctrine maybe 3 times (and the correction was made later in the meeting), telling someone to stop and sit down, at least twice and they were over relgiopolitical ranting.

More than once, in stake conference, someone said something that sounded "off" or controversial from the pulpit and the stake president only had something nice to say about their remarks anyway. No correction, directly, as far as I could tell. He seemed to rely on the Spirit's presence in the meeting to keep the atmosphere positive. He later became an area authority seventy.

I wonder why the differences - why none for me and 8 times for you. Maybe if you have seen it done you are more comfortable doing it?

[Amulek]

15 hours ago, Rain said:

Just curious if you have ever seen the presiding authority in Sacrament meeting correct doctrine or stop someone running overtime.

Yes to both.

And I even remember one occasion where our stake president made some statements during a ward conference which were doctrinally incorrect. When brought to his attention after the meeting, he proceeded to make the rounds to every class during the second hour to apologize / correct himself. He was a good guy, that one.

 

[filovirus]

We have a red light on the podium. Our bishop has used it to signal time to wrap up. I can't remember any time that doctrine was clarified after a speaker had finished.

[Thinking]

My experience was not with doctrine, but procedure.

On my mission a member of the seventy was the visiting authority and spoke at a conference. My companion conducted the meeting. Of course the visiting GA spoke last. After he finished my companion got up to announce the closing song and prayer. The visiting GA motioned for him to sit down. My companion was confused and nervous and just continued. After the meeting was over the GA instructed my companion about the proper procedure of announcing the song and prayer before his talk. I felt bad for my companion. He thought he was conducting correctly, but was corrected. I probably would have made the same mistake. Neither of us had ever been taught how to appropriately conduct a meeting.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Thinking

[CV75]

18 minutes ago, Thinking said:

My experience was not with doctrine, but procedure.

On my mission a member of the seventy was the visiting authority and spoke at a conference. My companion conducted the meeting. Of course the visiting GA spoke last. After he finished my companion got up to announce the closing song and prayer. The visiting GA motioned for him to sit down. My companion was confused and nervous and just continued. After the meeting was over the GA instructed my companion about the proper procedure of announcing the song and prayer before his talk. I felt bad for my companion. He thought he was conducting correctly, but was corrected. I probably would have made the same mistake. Neither of us had ever been taught how to appropriately conduct a meeting.

What would have happened if your companion sat down without announcing the closing song and prayer?

[CV75]

6 hours ago, Rain said:

I wonder why the differences - why none for me and 8 times for you. Maybe if you have seen it done you are more comfortable doing it?

Because, when I know certain people are going to speak or bear testimony, I instigate them to talk a long time about incorrect and inappropriate things. I'm bad, bad, bad to the bone!

[bluebell]

25 minutes ago, Thinking said:

My experience was not with doctrine, but procedure.

On my mission a member of the seventy was the visiting authority and spoke at a conference. My companion conducted the meeting. Of course the visiting GA spoke last. After he finished my companion got up to announce the closing song and prayer. The visiting GA motioned for him to sit down. My companion was confused and nervous and just continued. After the meeting was over the GA instructed my companion about the proper procedure of announcing the song and prayer before his talk. I felt bad for my companion. He thought he was conducting correctly, but was corrected. I probably would have made the same mistake. Neither of us had ever been taught how to appropriately conduct a meeting.

It's good to know the best way to do things so that it runs smoothly and things don't get confusing, but trying to course correct something that insignificant in the middle of your poor companion in the act likely just made everything way more awkward than it ever would have been if he had been allowed to do it his way without interruption.  He could have been taught a better way to do it after the meeting was over.

Sometimes we mean well but get too caught up in our personal agenda to see the bigger picture.

[Rain]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

It's good to know the best way to do things so that it runs smoothly and things don't get confusing, but trying to course correct something that insignificant in the middle of your poor companion in the act likely just made everything way more awkward than it ever would have been if he had been allowed to do it his way without interruption.  He could have been taught a better way to do it after the meeting was over.

Sometimes we mean well but get too caught up in our personal agenda to see the bigger picture.

Never let a problem to be solved become more important than a person to be loved.”—President Thomas S. Monson

[bluebell]

2 minutes ago, Rain said:

Never let a problem to be solved become more important than a person to be loved.”—President Thomas S. Monson

Exactly!

 

[Vanguard]

22 hours ago, Rain said:

I would like to keep this light so I don't want to discuss why it happens etc.  Just curious if you have ever seen the presiding authority in Sacrament meeting correct doctrine or stop someone running overtime.

I've never seen doctrine corrected and I've heard some very incorrect doctrine taught. Nearly every week talks run over time and I've never seen someone put a stop to it.  Never in 55 years.

Have you seen it done? A lot? Did it happen more in some of your wards than others?

It happened about a month ago while I was visiting an old ward of mine in So Cal. The speaker was going on too long and there was another slated to speak. The bishop got up and whispered into his ear. That's about the only time I can think of, however. There have been numerous times when I have wondered if the leadership would say something though they never have. I wonder sometimes what I would do if put into such a leadership position. Yuck.

I have never heard a leader correct something that is considered false doctrine though there have been multiple times when someone has said something that I privately contest and that perhaps should be addressed. Just last Sunday in Priesthood there were several comments that I thought needed much more nuance and clarification. The teacher each time simply followed up with an "Exactly. Couldn't agree more" or some such comment. It was discouraging for me to say the least. : ( 

Edited to add: I think participating on this board as either helped or hindered me. I am so much more familiar with important nuances that it seems other members have never even considered. Geesh.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Vanguard

[bluebell]

7 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

It happened about a month ago while I was visiting an old ward of mine in So Cal. The speaker was going on too long and there was another slated to speak. The bishop got up and whispered into his ear. That's about the only time I can think of, however. There have been numerous times when I have wondered if the leadership would say something though they never have. I wonder sometimes what I would do if put into such a leadership position. Yuck.

I have never heard a leader correct something that is considered false doctrine though there have been multiple times when someone has said something that I privately contest and that perhaps should be addressed. Just last Sunday in Priesthood there were several comments that I thought needed much more nuance and clarification. The teacher each time simply followed up with an "Exactly. Couldn't agree more" or some such comment. It was discouraging for me to say the least. : ( 

Edited to add: I think participating on this board as either helped or hindered me. I am so much more familiar with important nuances that it seems other members have never even considered. Geesh.

So now you must share you super powers with the rest of the membership and speak up in your classes to offer a "different perspective"