ttribe Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 He has now been arrested three times for "sexual contact with minors," for three different victims, over several years, all of which occurred at church functions and with leaders and parents nearby. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/redmond-police-re-arrest-man-child-molestation-charges-involving-new-victims/6TGM7LGHZRAHLNA37WCY2QLSMA/ Quote REDMOND, Wash. — Redmond police re-arrested a man last week for allegedly having sexual contact with minors, the police department announced Monday. Buckland Darrell, 44, was arrested on April 11 and charged with four counts of first-degree child molestation involving three victims. He is being held in the King County Jail on $500,000 bail. Redmond police detectives previously arrested Darrell in March after he allegedly had sexual contact with a boy in 2020 while attending a church in Redmond. Darrell was also arrested for child molestation involving another victim in December 2022. He was released on bail in both cases. According to Redmond police, the cases are all similar in that they involve boys under the age of 12, and the incidents happened near or in the presence of the victims’ family members. The three most recent victims are also affiliated with the same Redmond church. After his arrest, Darrell told police there were more victims but did not provide names or details. Police said Darrell has attended many church events and gatherings over the last decade and believe there could be more victims. The Redmond Police Department asks anyone with information to contact their tip line at 425-556-2500. Story after the 2nd arrest wherein he was identified as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: https://www.redmond.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=1366 Additional background and details here: https://floodlit.org/a/a586/ Link to comment
bluebell Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) According to someone that is in the know who is from the area, multiple members had misgivings about him and did all they could to keep him away from kids. Local leaders didn’t think he was a threat though. Its horrific. Edited April 18, 2023 by bluebell 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Stargazer Posted April 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, bluebell said: According to someone that is in the know who is from the area, multiple members had misgivings about him and did all they could to keep him away from kids. Local leaders didn’t think he was a threat though. Its horrific. This reminds me that I need to re-take the church's Protecting Children and Youth training. And in case any members wish to take the training, here's the link. It requires a church account (because the church keeps track of who has taken it so any slackers can be reminded). Anyone with a church account can do it. https://courses.churchofjesuschrist.org/login/production/pth/child_youth_protection/index.html?lang=eng 5 Link to comment
blackstrap Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Has there been a court case/trial from any of the previous arrests and charges.? If not , I wonder why and would those be flagged for church leaders? Link to comment
ttribe Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, blackstrap said: Has there been a court case/trial from any of the previous arrests and charges.? If not , I wonder why and would those be flagged for church leaders? I believe all three arrests are between December of 2022 and now, so I can't imagine there would be any trials yet. Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) What will occasionally happen with such events, is one scared brave soul (either the kid or a parent or a teacher) will come forward, and then all hell breaks loose as dude's other victims all see the one coming forward, and find their strength to say 'me too'. Kudos to our church for mandating that everyone involved in kids take the training, and mandating that we MUST be the brave soul. Doesn't matter if we're reporting a family member, or a spouse, or a bishop. We don't tolerate CSA, and we don't stay quiet about it. (That's the talk. You will always be able to find individuals struggling to do the walk.) Edited April 19, 2023 by LoudmouthMormon Link to comment
Popular Post ttribe Posted April 19, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: What will occasionally happen with such events, is one scared brave soul (either the kid or a parent or a teacher) will come forward, and then all hell breaks loose as dude's other victims all see the one coming forward, and find their strength to say 'me too'. Kudos to our church for mandating that everyone involved in kids take the training, and mandating that we MUST be the brave soul. Doesn't matter if we're reporting a family member, or a spouse, or a bishop. We don't tolerate CSA, and we don't stay quiet about it. (That's the talk. You will always be able to find individuals struggling to do the walk.) No comment on the fact that local leadership ignored people's misgivings about the man before someone finally went to the police? 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Rain Posted April 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said: What will occasionally happen with such events, is one scared brave soul (either the kid or a parent or a teacher) will come forward, and then all hell breaks loose as dude's other victims all see the one coming forward, and find their strength to say 'me too'. Kudos to our church for mandating that everyone involved in kids take the training, and mandating that we MUST be the brave soul. Doesn't matter if we're reporting a family member, or a spouse, or a bishop. We don't tolerate CSA, and we don't stay quiet about it. (That's the talk. You will always be able to find individuals struggling to do the walk.) Sadly too many times I am seeing that one brave soul come forward, and sometimes others follow, but they are sometimes ignored or criticized or told it isn't their business. 5 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 47 minutes ago, ttribe said: No comment on the fact that local leadership ignored people's misgivings about the man before someone finally went to the police? I'm seeing @bluebell's comments, but don't know what to say about them. Kind of hard to have any sort of relevant comment about thirdhand unsourced information from someone who heard from "someone that is in the know who is from the area". I can speak from principle and things I've personally witnessed. These things are all true, at the exact same time: - Parents get to act on their misgivings and gut reactions. - Parents' misgivings, where there's just a general feeling of creepiness, are sometimes spot on. - At other times, parents' misgivings are based on ignorance coupled with prejudice. (We can all google up endless 'Karen loses it' videos.) - A third thing that happens, is someone will witness blatant CSA, and just fail to react. It's entirely possible that Bluebell's source actually saw criminal activity, and just plain old didn't have the tools, the sense, the knowledge, the understanding, or the guts, to break out of human complacency and take action. - A fourth thing that happens, is after we see the first victim, and then the rush of 'me too' victims, everyone will finally be forced to deal with what happened, and it's quite common to hear a bunch of "I knew there was something wrong with the guy from the start." - A fifth thing that happens, (and I am speaking from direct firsthand knowledge here), is someone will see problem behavior, alert people with stewardship over the growing perpetrator, and get viciously turned on. Told they're making it up. Criticized for blowing things out of proportion. Accused of holding grudges and making it harder for the perp to be a good person. Honestly, I've seen the fourth thing happen a whole bunch. In and out of the church. It's a human social behavior thing. This crap thrives in darkness and ignorance. Some humans simply don't have the ability to call foul when they see a child being molested. So yeah, kudos to the church for forcing everyone involved with kids to deal with the subject through the online training class. It helps. 1 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I don’t understand how, if he was accused in 2020 and arrested, how the ward did not then protect ward members from further abuse. A 🧵 3 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Rain said: Sadly too many times I am seeing that one brave soul come forward, and sometimes others follow, but they are sometimes ignored or criticized or told it isn't their business. Yep. In a situation I'm personally aware of, my friend had been abused years prior as a child, told abuser's mom, and decided to let it go. (This was in the '90's.) Upon hearing of another victim who was going to the cops, she immediately went to the cops and filed a report. It was years later, and from another state, but her reasoning was 'I need to help this victim, and obviously I wasn't the only one.' Abuser's mom turned on my friend. Accused her of failing to forgive. Accused her of making it harder for perp to go on a mission. The mom lied about my friend in court, claimed she was mentally ill and had a history of lying about this stuff. The mom, dad, and siblings all locked arms and banded together against both my friend, and the 8 yr old 2nd victim. It was the most amazing bit of human behavior I'd ever witnessed. Anyway, yes, it happens. Another thing that happens, is sometimes folks will make false accusations, accusing an innocent person of abusing them, when there was no abuse. This can be done for reputation destruction, revenge, money, mental illness, regret, or to maintain social standing in a group. As my friend went through counseling and became involved in rape crisis centers, she saw a few of these liars in the system. She tells me they're not hard to spot, and if they're discovered in group counseling, it tends to not go well for the liars. And again, this isn't a church thing, this is a human thing. And again, kudos to the church for forcing the issue to the forefront and making people who work with kids deal with it. Edited April 19, 2023 by LoudmouthMormon 1 Link to comment
blackstrap Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, bsjkki said: if he was accused in 2020 and arrested I think I mis read this too. He was accused and arrested in March for behavior that took place in 2020. 4 Link to comment
webbles Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, bsjkki said: I don’t understand how, if he was accused in 2020 and arrested, how the ward did not then protect ward members from further abuse. A 🧵 I'm not seeing anywhere that he was arrested in 2020. It looks like he was arrested in March 2023 because the victim from 2020 came to the police. 1 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, bsjkki said: I don’t understand how, if he was accused in 2020 and arrested, how the ward did not then protect ward members from further abuse. A 🧵 He wasn't. Read carefully: - Perp arrested in Dec 2022 and released. $100k bail. - Perp arrested again in March 2023 and released $200k bail. - Perp arrested again on April 11, 4 new counts, 3 new victims. $500k bail. The molestations go back to 2020. It's not like everyone knew about the accusations until December 2022. Again, this crap hides in darkness. Victims keep secrets out of shame, fear, guilt. For years, even decades. Someone finally speaks up in 2022, the cops act quickly, then there's a tidal wave of 'me too' events. Link to comment
webbles Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ttribe said: No comment on the fact that local leadership ignored people's misgivings about the man before someone finally went to the police? If you were a local leadership and a parent came up to and said "So-and-so seems to be a little weird around kids", what exactly would you do? I don't see that strong enough suspicion to go to the police. Maybe I'd talk with the person but if the person was malicious, that really wouldn't be useful either. It looks like, in this specific case, he was released from primary callings and never had them again. So it does seem like they did react to it. The 2020 case is interesting because it says there were multiple witnesses. Why didn't any of those witnesses go to the police? Who did they talk to? We have got to get rid of this culture of "go to the bishop first about crimes". If you see a crime, go to the police first. 3 Link to comment
webbles Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, webbles said: I'm not seeing anywhere that he was arrested in 2020. It looks like he was arrested in March 2023 because the victim from 2020 came to the police. Oh, that twitter thread says something was reported in 2020. It is an image from a report so here it is transcribed: Quote This case was originally reported to the Redmond Police Department in February 2020, after multiple witnesses observed the defendant massaging sex-year-old <> groin area during a church service. The defendant and <> have no familial relationship. The defendant attended the same church as <> family. On March 16, 2020 <> provided a Child Forensic Interview and confirmed that his fly was unzipped and that the defendant touched his thigh during the church service. However, <> denied that the defendant touched his private parts and did not disclose any additional details to establish probable cause for a crime, so the So, the 2020 incident was reported to the police, they investigated, and found no "probable cause for a crime". 2 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, blackstrap said: I think I mis read this too. He was accused and arrested in March for behavior that took place in 2020. Thank you. Rumors about this guy were swirling for years. Members expressed concerns. They were ignored. Edited April 19, 2023 by bsjkki 2 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, webbles said: The 2020 case is interesting because it says there were multiple witnesses. Why didn't any of those witnesses go to the police? Who did they talk to? We have got to get rid of this culture of "go to the bishop first about crimes". If you see a crime, go to the police first. Yes. So glad to see the issue clearly addressed in the church training: It's right there in black and white. No ambiguity. "Immediately contact legal authorities". And yeah, the bishop too. No excuses folks. 2 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, webbles said: Oh, that twitter thread says something was reported in 2020. It is an image from a report so here it is transcribed: So, the 2020 incident was reported to the police, they investigated, and found no "probable cause for a crime". It seems the victim recanted but there were multiple witnesses…so, this guy should have been on a tight leash from at least that point forward but he was allowed to continue grooming families in his ward. Sick. 1 Link to comment
Popular Post pogi Posted April 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: Kudos to our church for mandating that everyone involved in kids take the training, How is this mandated exactly? I am the ward music leader but also work in the nursery. When my wife and I were called to work in the nursery, no one mentioned the training. I was the one who told my wife about it. We both procrastinated and worked with children in the nursery for around 4 months before finally completing the training. No one followed up. Literally zero oversight or accountability. It seems that "mandated" is a relative term based on your local ward/leaders. 2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: and mandating that we MUST be the brave soul. Where is this mandated? 2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: We don't tolerate CSA, and we don't stay quiet about it. Unfortunately, this doesn't always play out in reality. As you noted, many stay quiet. 5 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 While we're at it, all the humans need to get more familiar with the fact that this happens to guys too. Not just girls. This whole thread is a case in point. 1 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 minute ago, pogi said: How is this mandated exactly? Unfortunately, this doesn't always play out in reality. As you noted, many stay quiet. Yep. Imperfect system, absolutely. Perhaps a future enhancement to the church's system, will be auto-generated emails that get issued as soon as a calling is recorded. Seems like a good thing to do. Nobody mistake me here - anything humans touch will never be perfect. That absolutely includes the church and it's policies and procedures around child safety. @pogi, your experiences and conclusions are totally valid. It stinks that only deep pockets tend to push hard on these policies, while smaller poorer orgs (strip mall churches, small town community centers, the kid play place at the community meeting held by the utility company, etc), don't. Link to comment
Popular Post bsjkki Posted April 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, LoudmouthMormon said: A fifth thing that happens, (and I am speaking from direct firsthand knowledge here), is someone will see problem behavior, alert people with stewardship over the growing perpetrator, and get viciously turned on. Told they're making it up. Criticized for blowing things out of proportion. Accused of holding grudges and making it harder for the perp to be a good person. This. This happens too often. Happened to me and others on this board. The creep is now a temple worker. I collected evidence from multiple families (5) of harassing behavior. Grooming of families. A double, secret life. Inappropriately contacting minors and very concerning grooming patterns. He uses untraceable numbers to harass families once they realize he is ‘off.’ He harassed my daughter through a fake account and I nailed him on it immediately. Found the evidence it was him. Other teens confirmed he had fake accounts that he used to contact them. I did not find a victim of sexual abuse. He ingratiates himself with a family. Is super generous. Offers to babysit. Offers to take the kids on a trip alone with him to give the parents a break. Gets the parent a hotel room so the can get away and then watches the kids. Tells his ‘girlfriends’ son to come to his place instead of going home after school. It goes on and on. I’ve heard he just loves kids because he doesn’t have a family of his own. Leadership knows there have been problems but does nothing to warn families. Shared it all with the Bishop. My Bishop called Salt Lake and he told me it was an issue between adults. So, he continues using the ward as his hunting ground. *One of the many reasons I no longer attend that ward. We got our records moved. Edited April 19, 2023 by bsjkki 6 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, pogi said: How is this mandated exactly? I am the ward music leader but also work in the nursery. When my wife and I were called to work in the nursery, no one mentioned the training. I was the one who told my wife about it. We both procrastinated and worked with children in the nursery for around 4 months before finally completing the training. No one followed up. Literally zero oversight or accountability. It seems that "mandated" is a relative term based on your local ward/leaders. Where is this mandated? Unfortunately, this doesn't always play out in reality. As you noted, many stay quiet. People would get their training done if they were not allowed to serve until it was complete. We do need more accountability in the system. 4 Link to comment
ksfisher Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just now, bsjkki said: People would get their training done if they were not allowed to serve until it was complete. For some that would be an incentive not to do it 1 Link to comment
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