Addressing our Savior

[Mathete]

Did you ever notice that the followers of Lord NEVER addressed Him as Jesus? Only His enemies and demons did that.

[bluebell]

Are you suggesting that the writers of the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Paul, Peter, etc. were enemies or demons?

Because they all referred to him as Jesus at different times.

[Rain]

I'm assuming you are talking about talking to him directly? Considering how very little information we actually have about his life I don't think we can make the conclusion that he was never called Jesus by those he associated with.

And I'm not sure we could take any meaning from it if we did actually know this.  We would have to understand the culture and context. 

 

[Mathete]

52 minutes ago, Rain said:

I'm assuming you are talking about talking to him directly? Considering how very little information we actually have about his life I don't think we can make the conclusion that he was never called Jesus by those he associated with.

And I'm not sure we could take any meaning from it if we did actually know this.  We would have to understand the culture and context. 

 

Yes, that is what addressing means. My statement was about what scripture says. 

[Mathete]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

Are you suggesting that the writers of the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Paul, Peter, etc. were enemies or demons?

Because they all referred to him as Jesus at different times.

I think you missed the part where I said addressing. I’m not suggesting anything, just pointing out an observation. 

[bluebell]

11 minutes ago, Mathete said:

I think you missed the part where I said addressing. I’m not suggesting anything, just pointing out an observation. 

But I’m confused about what the observation could possibly be proof or evidence of?

I never referred to any of my teachers by their first name, for example, and that was evidence of my respect for them and the authority that they held in my life, but absolutely evidence of nothing else.

what significance do you placed on your observation? What do you believe your observation means or implies?

[MustardSeed]

5 minutes ago, bluebell said:

What do you believe your observation means or implies?

Maybe he just likes observing things out loud  that he thinks no one else has noticed. 
I never noticed it either but I wouldn’t because I don’t care too much about it. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by MustardSeed

[bluebell]

1 minute ago, MustardSeed said:

Maybe he likes observing things that he thinks no one else has noticed. 
I never noticed it either but I wouldn’t because I don’t care too much about it. 

That could be. And sometimes those kinds of observations are very interesting and fun to talk about!

It’s when people try to use their pet observations to teach others some “essential but hidden” spiritual truth that I grow wary. 

[Mathete]

46 minutes ago, bluebell said:

That could be. And sometimes those kinds of observations are very interesting and fun to talk about!

It’s when people try to use their pet observations to teach others some “essential but hidden” spiritual truth that I grow wary. 

That’s a great way to teach. I Guess you would rather have opinions and teachings of man rather than scriptures.  My posts are intended for this of us that observe and ponder the things of our Lord : John 5:39

[bluebell]

8 minutes ago, Mathete said:

That’s a great way to teach. I Guess you would rather have opinions and teachings of man rather than scriptures.  My posts are intended for this of us that observe and ponder the things of our Lord : John 5:39

I'm not suggesting there isn't value in what you are teaching or that I could not learn things of value from you, but you're still just an anonymous man (I'm assuming) teaching us your personal opinions and observations about the scriptures.  It's a red flag to me that you are reacting so prickly to being questioned and not completely agreed with.  

Are your posts intended for discussion?

 

[Pyreaux]

I often say "Christ" when discussing religion, and "Jesus" when talking scriptures. I switch it up when I think use one too much. Keeping the name sacred. I also pick up the habit from my Messianic Jewish friends who didn't like using the word Jesus over Yeshua, so I used Christ as a more neutral word.

I would think His mom would have called him Jesus/Yesua.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Pyreaux

[Mathete]

54 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I'm not suggesting there isn't value in what you are teaching or that I could not learn things of value from you, but you're still just an anonymous man (I'm assuming) teaching us your personal opinions and observations about the scriptures.  It's a red flag to me that you are reacting so prickly to being questioned and not completely agreed with.  

Are your posts intended for discussion?

 

I am sorry if I seem to come off as prickly.  I guess I was a little irritated by your assumption that is was trying to teach some hidden truth. I merely stated an observation without any personal opinion given. I love discussing scriptures with my friends, I know you folks on this site are strangers, but I thought I might find like minded people on here to share with, like a two way street where we can lift each other up. I have friends that have helped me along the way that have offered a different looks at some passages and do the same with them at times. I am new here, but what I have seen is that there is a lot of arguments, most not backed by scripture, but by opinion. We should be pondering these things, asking the Holy Spirit to guide us in our learning because our own flesh mind and worldly education can’t discern the thighs of God ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.) That is why sometimes I as where people got their opinion, scriptures?, Holy Spirit, secular books, own imagination? My intent in not to mislead, that is why I didn’t include my own thoughts. If that is what makes you suspect, then that between you and God.

[Rain]

I think using the scriptures is great, but I also think we miss the context (not just from words around them, but also their culture and time) so we may sometimes read them or observe something different about them than the authors intended.  So observing what is there is great, but it's important that we don't put our cultural and time context meaning onto it.

And like I talked about before there is so much missing about his life that we need to be careful about adding meaning where none may be intended. 

Despite that, the scriptures are meant to help us understand God and his ways more. You observed these differences, what does it mean to you?

Edited March 29, 2023 by Rain