Vanguard Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Hahahaha!!! That's interesting how many things mean that word, lol. And then you take into account my sometimes juvenile sense of humor that loves fart jokes... ;o Link to comment
JAHS Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 45 minutes ago, Vanguard said: And then you take into account my sometimes juvenile sense of humor that loves fart jokes... ;o In German "Fahrt" means a ride or journey. 1 Link to comment
T-Shirt Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 12:00 PM, JAHS said: bishop’s court (instead use ward membership council) The Church stopped using, "bishop's court" more than twenty years ago. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 5 hours ago, T-Shirt said: The Church stopped using, "bishop's court" more than twenty years ago. Yes, I noticed that some items on that list are several degrees removed from current terminology. It’s as though the compiler of the list, like Rip Van Winkle, went to sleep 50 years ago, has just awakened and is only now observing that there have been some changes in the Church. Link to comment
Calm Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Yes, I noticed that some items on that list are several degrees removed from current terminology. It’s as though the compiler of the list, like Rip Van Winkle, went to sleep 50 years ago, has just awakened and is only now observing that there have been some changes in the Church. Or they were just being thorough because even if some terms are not in official use doesn’t mean there aren’t people somewhere using them. “Here’s a list from the 7th edition of the Church’s style guide of names and terms that are no longer in use by the Church. Take a look and see if any of them surprise you—plus, it helps to be aware of words you may currently be using that you might want to avoid in the future.” The 7th edition apparently doesn’t say they were recently discarded, just that they were once used and are not officially used at this time, if it mirrors the 6th edition. In fact, my guess is they simply keep the same list and add any newly discarded ones to it rather than just a list of the ones recently discarded. Here is the previous edition’s list, which includes all the older, discarded ones, I believe. Anyone have a link to the 5th or older editions? Area Authority Seventy (but Area Seventy) Area Supervisor (General Authority) Assistant to the Twelve (General Authority) auxiliary bishop’s court (but ward membership council) bishopric youth committee (but ward youth council) Church-service missionary (but service missionary) disfellowship, disfellowshipment Duty to God excommunication Faith in God family home evening (but home evening) First Council of the Seventy (but First Quorum of the Seventy) general board (but general advisory council) general women’s meeting (but women’s session) Gospel Essentials, Gospel Principles, Gospel Doctrine class high priests group leader homemaking meeting (Relief Society) home teaching Inspired Version (but Joseph Smith Translation) junior Primary Mutual New Beginnings personal priesthood interview (but priesthood interview) Personal Progress regional representative regional representatives’ seminar servicemen’s group (but service member group) visiting teaching welfare committee (stake or ward) Edited August 4, 2022 by Calm Link to comment
Calm Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) Hmm…they have trimmed it a lot. Maybe they’ve tracked what is popping up in submissions. I have seen people using bishop’s court quite a bit. Mutual is pretty rare in casual conversation, but maybe there are a lot of older writers submitting articles and stories. Here is the fourth edition, the list of obsolete terms is at the end, just like the 6th. I think it was published in 2009. As usual, the Church is way behind in updating some of their own website. https://providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/providentliving/content/english/welfareoperationstraining/employmentresourcecenter/pdf/Style_Guide.pdf?lang=eng This was formatted so I could get it all in one go, so even though much, much longer, I decided to copy it for the lazy readers who don’t like clicking on links. Aaronic Priesthood adult [member] Aaronic Priesthood–Adult [program] Aaronic Priesthood MIA Aaronic Priesthood–Youth [program] achievement award Area Authority Seventy Area Supervisor, General Authority area supervisor, Presiding Bishopric assistant in charge of activities (or of age-groups) [YMMIA] Assistant to the Twelve [General Authority] assistant to the youth executive secretary [bishop’s youth committee] athletic program bandlo [not bandelo] bishop’s court bishop’s Sunday evening discussion (for youth) Blazer program (or class, etc.) [Primary] Campcrafter (certificate, certification program) [Young Women’s program] certificate of achievement program Children’s Friend, the Church builder [formerly labor missionary] Church historian conference, Sunday School (or Primary, Relief Society, June) coordinator, junior Sunday School correlated report(s) correlated reporting system correlation council, ward (or stake) cottage meeting(s) CTR A (or B) [Primary; now CTR 5, 6 , 7, and 8] Cultural Refinement lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] day camp program Deacon Committee [general Church committee] “Dear to My Heart” night Deseret Club(s) [student association] Deseret Sunday School Union, the Duty to God Trail award elders’ court Ensign [YMMIA] Executive Administrator [General Authority] Family Relations class [Sunday School] female Young Adult (or Special Interest) ward representative first assistant superintendent First Council of the Seventy, the Genealogical Department genealogical library, branch/Branch Genealogical Library general secretary [Aaronic Priesthood—Youth] general secretary—youth general superintendency general superintendent Gleaner [YWMIA] gold and green ball Golden Gleaner (award), (honorary) Golden Questions, the Gospel Essentials class [Sunday School] Historian’s Office, the Church Home and Family Education lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Re- lief Society] Homemaking meeting [Relief Society] Improvement Era, the Indian student placement service Individual Award, an Instructor, the International Magazine June conference junior Primary junior Sunday School (coordinator, chorister, room, etc.) kit, (Targeteer A, etc.) library packet M Man [YMMIA] M Man–Gleaner class [use en dash] M Men and Gleaners male Young Adult (or Special Interest) ward representative Master M Man (award), (honorary) [YMMIA] Master M Man–Golden Gleaner program [use en dash] Melchizedek Priesthood MIA Merrie Miss A (or B) class (or teacher, etc.) [Primary] 85 MIA theme Millennial Star, the Missionary Home, the [Salt Lake City] Mother Education lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] Mutual Improvement Association(s); MIA Mutual Interests group name tabulation program, the packet, (Targeteer A, teacher’s, etc.) parent-and-youth program parent-youth night Penny Parade Personal Achievement Award [YWMIA] personal achievement goals (or journal, program, record book) [YWMIA] personal priesthood interview [now priesthood interview] pre-Primary priesthood personal achievement program priests group leader Primary Association Primary Children’s Hospital Primary conference record of membership/Record of Membership records tabulation (or R-tab) program regional representative(s) regional representatives’ seminar Relief Society conference Relief Society Magazine, the sacrament gem [Sunday School] second assistant superintendent Senior Aaronic senior president of the stake seventies quorum senior Sunday School service and activities committee seventies group (leader) seventies quorum seventy (-ies) seven-year medallion singing mothers’ chorus Special Interest (activity, class, group) Spiritual Living lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] sports-camp director stake correlation council standards night Star A (or B) class [Primary] Sunday School conference superintendent, (Sunday School, YMMIA) supervision-in-teaching program 86 Targeteer A (or B) class [Primary] teacher’s kit teaching aids kit (or packet) Temple Records Index Bureau, the Treasures of Truth book [YWMIA] Valiant A (or B) [Primary; now Valiant 9, 10, 11, and 12] Venturer [Scouting] ward correlation council Young Adult (activity, class, council, group) Young Adult ward representative, (female, male) Young Marrieds class Young Men’s Mutual Improvement Association; YMMIA Young Special Interest (activity, class, council, group) Young Woman’s Journal, the Young Women committee, (ward, stake) Young Women’s Mutual Improvement Association; YWMIA Youth executive secretary Zone Adviser [General Authority] Edited August 4, 2022 by Calm 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calm said: Hmm…they have trimmed it a lot. Maybe they’ve tracked what is popping up in submissions. I have seen people using bishop’s court quite a bit. Mutual is pretty rare in casual conversation, but maybe there are a lot of older writers submitting articles and stories. Here is the fourth edition, the list of obsolete terms is at the end, just like the 6th. I think it was published in 2009. As usual, the Church is way behind in updating some of their own website. https://providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/providentliving/content/english/welfareoperationstraining/employmentresourcecenter/pdf/Style_Guide.pdf?lang=eng This was formatted so I could get it all in one go, so even though much, much longer, I decided to copy it for the lazy readers who don’t like clicking on links. Aaronic Priesthood adult [member] Aaronic Priesthood–Adult [program] Aaronic Priesthood MIA Aaronic Priesthood–Youth [program] achievement award Area Authority Seventy Area Supervisor, General Authority area supervisor, Presiding Bishopric assistant in charge of activities (or of age-groups) [YMMIA] Assistant to the Twelve [General Authority] assistant to the youth executive secretary [bishop’s youth committee] athletic program bandlo [not bandelo] bishop’s court bishop’s Sunday evening discussion (for youth) Blazer program (or class, etc.) [Primary] Campcrafter (certificate, certification program) [Young Women’s program] certificate of achievement program Children’s Friend, the Church builder [formerly labor missionary] Church historian conference, Sunday School (or Primary, Relief Society, June) coordinator, junior Sunday School correlated report(s) correlated reporting system correlation council, ward (or stake) cottage meeting(s) CTR A (or B) [Primary; now CTR 5, 6 , 7, and 8] Cultural Refinement lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] day camp program Deacon Committee [general Church committee] “Dear to My Heart” night Deseret Club(s) [student association] Deseret Sunday School Union, the Duty to God Trail award elders’ court Ensign [YMMIA] Executive Administrator [General Authority] Family Relations class [Sunday School] female Young Adult (or Special Interest) ward representative first assistant superintendent First Council of the Seventy, the Genealogical Department genealogical library, branch/Branch Genealogical Library general secretary [Aaronic Priesthood—Youth] general secretary—youth general superintendency general superintendent Gleaner [YWMIA] gold and green ball Golden Gleaner (award), (honorary) Golden Questions, the Gospel Essentials class [Sunday School] Historian’s Office, the Church Home and Family Education lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Re- lief Society] Homemaking meeting [Relief Society] Improvement Era, the Indian student placement service Individual Award, an Instructor, the International Magazine June conference junior Primary junior Sunday School (coordinator, chorister, room, etc.) kit, (Targeteer A, etc.) library packet M Man [YMMIA] M Man–Gleaner class [use en dash] M Men and Gleaners male Young Adult (or Special Interest) ward representative Master M Man (award), (honorary) [YMMIA] Master M Man–Golden Gleaner program [use en dash] Melchizedek Priesthood MIA Merrie Miss A (or B) class (or teacher, etc.) [Primary] 85 MIA theme Millennial Star, the Missionary Home, the [Salt Lake City] Mother Education lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] Mutual Improvement Association(s); MIA Mutual Interests group name tabulation program, the packet, (Targeteer A, teacher’s, etc.) parent-and-youth program parent-youth night Penny Parade Personal Achievement Award [YWMIA] personal achievement goals (or journal, program, record book) [YWMIA] personal priesthood interview [now priesthood interview] pre-Primary priesthood personal achievement program priests group leader Primary Association Primary Children’s Hospital Primary conference record of membership/Record of Membership records tabulation (or R-tab) program regional representative(s) regional representatives’ seminar Relief Society conference Relief Society Magazine, the sacrament gem [Sunday School] second assistant superintendent Senior Aaronic senior president of the stake seventies quorum senior Sunday School service and activities committee seventies group (leader) seventies quorum seventy (-ies) seven-year medallion singing mothers’ chorus Special Interest (activity, class, group) Spiritual Living lesson (or teacher, etc.) [Relief Society] sports-camp director stake correlation council standards night Star A (or B) class [Primary] Sunday School conference superintendent, (Sunday School, YMMIA) supervision-in-teaching program 86 Targeteer A (or B) class [Primary] teacher’s kit teaching aids kit (or packet) Temple Records Index Bureau, the Treasures of Truth book [YWMIA] Valiant A (or B) [Primary; now Valiant 9, 10, 11, and 12] Venturer [Scouting] ward correlation council Young Adult (activity, class, council, group) Young Adult ward representative, (female, male) Young Marrieds class Young Men’s Mutual Improvement Association; YMMIA Young Special Interest (activity, class, council, group) Young Woman’s Journal, the Young Women committee, (ward, stake) Young Women’s Mutual Improvement Association; YWMIA Youth executive secretary Zone Adviser [General Authority] One outdated term on the list that people seem particularly loathe to let go of is “Area Authority Seventy.” It seems like I see that, and it’s predecessor, Area Authority, all the time in casual communication, yet, if I’m not mistaken, it hasn’t been part of the official vernacular in the Church since the ‘90s. To clarify, the current term is Area Seventy. It is intended to differentiate men who hold the priesthood office of Seventy from General Authorities who also hold that office. General Authority Seventies have Churchwide jurisdiction; Area Seventies have charge of only a limited geographic area in the Church. Edited August 4, 2022 by Scott Lloyd 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 51 minutes ago, Calm said: Or they were just being thorough because even if some terms are not in official use doesn’t mean there aren’t people somewhere using them. I get that. I’m just saying how it seems with the inclusion of some terms that are really, really old. Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I hate the lack of names for girl classes. It in my mind makes girls even less important than the boys. IMO. 3 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 3:14 PM, JAHS said: Young Women Presidency Young Women Class Advisers Young Women 16-18 Young Women 12-15 Primary Presidency Music Valiant 10 Valiant 8, Valiant 9 CTR 6, CTR 7 CTR 5 Sunbeam, CTR 4 Nursery Young Single Adults(18-30) Single Adults (31 and over) Technically this is dependent on if they break up the YW’s into groups or not. They got rid of the names because they wanted to give flexibility for the classes to be set based on the need and circumstances of the ward instead of by a strict age category. 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 9 hours ago, MustardSeed said: I hate the lack of names for girl classes. It in my mind makes girls even less important than the boys. IMO. My husband was just saying the same thing. He's in the bishopric so hangs out with the YW a lot for different things (he'll be at girls camp next week) and it really annoys him. 1 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, BlueDreams said: Technically this is dependent on if they break up the YW’s into groups or not. They got rid of the names because they wanted to give flexibility for the classes to be set based on the need and circumstances of the ward instead of by a strict age category. This helps in my ward where there aren’t enough active Young Women for three classes. There aren’t enough active Young Men to make the three classes in the Aaronic Priesthood age range work either but still stuck with those. 2 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 55 minutes ago, The Nehor said: This helps in my ward where there aren’t enough active Young Women for three classes. There aren’t enough active Young Men to make the three classes in the Aaronic Priesthood age range work either but still stuck with those. I’m in the YW’s presidency and we’ve redone how we group the girls 3 times. The first due to the pandemic. We weren’t meeting in person and it made more sense to just have everyone together when we were only doing zoom. Then we did an older and younger class once we were in person more. Now we do a hybrid of the two, to help with both a limitation in leadership support. It’s been extremely helpful IMHO. with luv, BD 1 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Just now, BlueDreams said: I’m in the YW’s presidency and we’ve redone how we group the girls 3 times. The first due to the pandemic. We weren’t meeting in person and it made more sense to just have everyone together when we were only doing zoom. Then we did an older and younger class once we were in person more. Now we do a hybrid of the two, to help with both a limitation in leadership support. It’s been extremely helpful IMHO. with luv, BD It really is a great option for the presidency to have. It's just a little sad that one of the natural consequences is a lack of a good name for each class. Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bluebell said: It really is a great option for the presidency to have. It's just a little sad that one of the natural consequences is a lack of a good name for each class. 10 hours ago, MustardSeed said: I hate the lack of names for girl classes. It in my mind makes girls even less important than the boys. IMO. i can see that. Honestly it hasn’t personally bothered me. The names weren’t super great to begin with (beehive just doesn’t hold the same spiritual impact as deacon, and I don’t have a clue what a Mia Maid is or what a laurel has to do with anything). Plus the pragmatism beats out the symbol of a group name for me. but it could also be that I’ve been eyeball deep in the concerns of my YW’s group for the last bit that for me it’s really just about real time implications for me on this. There’s less time to think of the abstract meaning/comparison between that and the boys’ programs when focused on 14 or so YW in the midst of toggling the school/social life with a spiritual one. with luv, BD Edited August 5, 2022 by BlueDreams 1 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, BlueDreams said: i can see that. Honestly it hasn’t personally bothered me. The names weren’t super great to begin with (beehive just doesn’t hold the same spiritual impact as deacon, and I don’t have a clue what a Mia Maid is or what a laurel has to do with anything). Plus the pragmatism beats out the symbol of a group name for me. but it could also be that I’ve been eyeball deep in the concerns of my YW’s group for the last bit that for me it’s really just about real time implications for me on this. There’s less time to think of the abstract meaning/comparison between that and the boys’ programs. with luv, BD I mean there’s ceremonious blessings and titles as boys get older, and girls don’t even have a name to identify with . 3 Link to comment
JAHS Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I mean there’s ceremonious blessings and titles as boys get older, and girls don’t even have a name to identify with . How about Daughters of God = DOG. No that wouldn't work🙄 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) Mia Maid was from Mutual Improvement Association… Laurels were made into wreaths to crown winners at the Pythia games and means award or prize, top of the class, so my guess it was to be synonymous with excellence…or it could be referring to the original legend where Daphne fled the embraces of Apollo to preserve her virtue and when he caught her, begged her father to save her (by destroying her beauty which attracts men even), which he did by turning her into a laurel tree. A reminder to young women to defend their virtue at all cost (no, I do not actually believe that, would be horrified if that ever actually occurred to anyone). The destruction of her beauty didn’t work. Apollo got the last word , because he breaks off her branches to crown himself and others, uses her branches to make his lyre, her bark his quiver to keep his arrows. Women didn’t stand a chance with Apollo. One way or the other he possessed them. Edited August 5, 2022 by Calm 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Calm said: Mia Maid was from Mutual Improvement Association… Laurels were made into wreaths to crown winners at the Pythia games and means award or prize, top of the class, so my guess it was to be synonymous with excellence…or it could be referring to the original legend where Daphne fled the embraces of Apollo to preserve her virtue and when he caught her, begged her father to save her, which he did by turning her into a tree. A reminder to young women to defend their virtue at all cost (no, I do not actually believe that, would be horrified if that ever actually occurred to anyone). Apollo got the last word though, because he breaks off her branches to crown himself and others. 2 hours ago, BlueDreams said: i can see that. Honestly it hasn’t personally bothered me. The names weren’t super great to begin with (beehive just doesn’t hold the same spiritual impact as deacon, and I don’t have a clue what a Mia Maid is or what a laurel has to do with anything). Plus the pragmatism beats out the symbol of a group name for me. but it could also be that I’ve been eyeball deep in the concerns of my YW’s group for the last bit that for me it’s really just about real time implications for me on this. There’s less time to think of the abstract meaning/comparison between that and the boys’ programs when focused on 14 or so YW in the midst of toggling the school/social life with a spiritual one. with luv, BD Agreed the names were outdated. 1 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Would it really be so complicated to make three standard classes with names, but to get permission to mix it up as needed and provide alternative names. ? Link to comment
Calm Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 33 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Would it really be so complicated to make three standard classes with names, but to get permission to mix it up as needed and provide alternative names. ? There would be those who just default to the classes, I am guessing. There is a lack of ritual place for girls in the Church though. We need to figure out something better. Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, MustardSeed said: I mean there’s ceremonious blessings and titles as boys get older, and girls don’t even have a name to identify with . The ceremonious blessings to me is more important. I really wish we had more of that to tie them more to a spiritual identity in becoming women/leaders in the church. Edited August 5, 2022 by BlueDreams Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, MustardSeed said: Would it really be so complicated to make three standard classes with names, but to get permission to mix it up as needed and provide alternative names. ? I'd likewise be worried about the defaulting. And there would still be the problem that splitting them would be a little different. Like would these classes still be age specific? If they were, would you just have a beehive/laurel class if there weren't mia maids. If there was one class would they all be mia maids. Or would you all the girls to keep a title and just let it be known that girls in this age group would be here and another age there. It would render the names even less meaningful in my opinion. With luv, BD Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 On 8/3/2022 at 7:43 PM, JAHS said: In German "Fahrt" means a ride or journey. Ich fahre en ein fahrt. Jawohl! Superkuhl! Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Could classes vote on what they want to have for names? (I know that would be open to all kinds of off-the-wall possibilities, but perhaps leaders and teachers could encourage class members to think about what they wish to stand for, spiritually-speaking, and to have a name that reflects that? Think of anti-Nephi-Lehis or Stripling Warriors in the Book of Mormon (not saying that either one of those, necessarily, would be appropriate; just citing them as precedent: Clearly, in each case, the names had spiritual significance for those who adopted them). Just a thought. 1 Link to comment
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