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The form email when I asked what happened said that questions about why will be ignored. 

Anyone know of an alternate way to talk to an administrator?

Thanks! This is uncharted water for me. I can't even read the thread any more!

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28 minutes ago, rongo said:

The form email when I asked what happened said that questions about why will be ignored. 

Anyone know of an alternate way to talk to an administrator?

Thanks! This is uncharted water for me. I can't even read the thread any more!

Have you tried logging out of the board and entering as a visitor to view your thread?

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12 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Have you tried logging out of the board and entering as a visitor to view your thread?

Good idea. The thread is more than 10 pages, but he could reread/copy the first 10 if he logs out and delete cookies/history? and then read the rest.

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1 minute ago, Rain said:

Good idea. The thread is more than 10 pages, but he could read the first 10 if he logs out and delete cookies/history? and then read the rest.

He wouldn’t have to delete anything. He only has to log off his account and then enter the website as a visitor. He wouldn’t be able to post anything or to see or give rep points, but at least he could see and read the thread from which he was banned. 

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Scott, you're a technical genius. Signing out let's me read the thread. Thanks for the tip!

I would start a part 2 thread (I wanted to comment on "righteous lying" and other things, but I have no idea if I'll be banned from that thread, too. Not knowing your accuser, the alleged offense, and what  @Nemesis is thinking or intends is absurd. I can't even imagine what might have even been a stretch of a pretext. (shrug?)

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21 minutes ago, rongo said:

I would start a part 2 thread (I wanted to comment on "righteous lying" and other things, but I have no idea if I'll be banned from that thread, too.

 Yeah I was looking forward to your thoughts on that, but let's not risk it since we have no idea what triggered the ban.

21 minutes ago, rongo said:

Not knowing your accuser, the alleged offense, and what  @Nemesis is thinking or intends is absurd. I can't even imagine what might have even been a stretch of a pretext. (shrug?)

Me neither.  I thought you were amazingly peaceful and stabilizing in the midst of a lot of strongly-held views being expressed by others. 

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2 hours ago, rongo said:

Scott, you're a technical genius. Signing out let's me read the thread. Thanks for the tip!

Thanks, but I’m not really a genius and am quite mediocre as to technical understanding.  
 

All it took on my part was a bit of thought — and yes, some experimentation. Having been thread-banned before with no clear understanding of why, I was driven by an intense curiosity to learn what the fuss was about. This was the only way I could hope to do so. 
 

I hope, though, that now I’ve highlighted this work-around, I haven’t given anyone in control the impetus to disable it. 

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I suspect that the only way to prevent a person from replying in a thread is to completely ban them, their ability to read has to get blocked at the same time as ability to reply. I can’t see why the mods would care about someone viewing the thread even if banned. Plus I think I remember it has been mentioned before quite sometime ago now Scott reminded me and I believe the mods were aware of the ability and didn’t do anything about it then. 

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5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

He wouldn’t have to delete anything. He only has to log off his account and then enter the website as a visitor. He wouldn’t be able to post anything or to see or give rep points, but at least he could see and read the thread from which he was banned. 

Thanks. I didn't realize it had changed.  I remember being so frustrated when I first came to the board because I really wanted to see what it was like before joining, but kept getting blocked after every 10 pages. 

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7 hours ago, rongo said:

The form email when I asked what happened said that questions about why will be ignored. 

Anyone know of an alternate way to talk to an administrator?

Thanks! This is uncharted water for me. I can't even read the thread any more!

When you sign out you can, speaking from experience. You just won't be able to respond, but that is very odd. 

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2 hours ago, Rain said:

Thanks. I didn't realize it had changed.  I remember being so frustrated when I first came to the board because I really wanted to see what it was like before joining, but kept getting blocked after every 10 pages. 

I was never aware of a 10-page limit. I’ve only ever been on here as a registered user. Maybe it’s still in force. 

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6 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I was never aware of a 10-page limit. I’ve only ever been on here as a registered user. Maybe it’s still in force. 

When I first stumbled across this board, I vaguely remember that I read through several pages and thought there's no way I could keep up with these intelligent souls, and then I guess it prompted me to join, since I could no longer read. Now it's all making sense, because I couldn't remember why I was so inclined to join, since I'd felt so inadequate. But it must have compelled me to finally join because of the inability to read more pages. Thanks!

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5 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Welcome to our illustrious club, mate. 
 

 

The frustrating things is that @Nemesis has posted since the ban happened, so he should respond at least to a private message. Especially when there doesn't appear to be any reason to anybody. I'm sure Nemesis has read this thread, too, but is just lying low and waiting for this to blow over. He's posted since then, and the this thread title has to have caught his attention.

Nemesis always says he doesn't check often, doesn't communicate, etc., but it looks like more of a cowardly or lazy thing when he doesn't respond than a "too busy" thing. Nemesis takes the time to banter extensively, when he wants to. e.g., the thread where he was musing about being bishop of the MDDB ward. 

The other thing that bothers me is how it appears people can be banned for frivolous things, simply because someone reports something. Does Nemesis ever decide a flag or report was nonsense? 

Periodically, there is discussion about why this isn't as good as it used to be, where have manu good poster gone, etc. We're looking at exhibit A, right here.

 

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Before I have to walk the plank for speaking evil of Nemesis, a couple more thoughts.

1) Has a thread originator ever been banned from his own thread? I doubt it, and definitely not when not behaving outrageously. No one has any idea what the offending post was!

2) The arbitrariness here is astounding. Why can't @Tacenda get rep points, bit other posters who are at least as vocal in their skepticism and unhappiness with the Church can? Nemesis has said before, "It's my board, I can do what I want for whatever reasons I want, and I don't have to explain myself to anyone." Technically true, yes, but just what kind of a parent, spouse, neighbor, etc. is a person like that like? No, you don't have to tell people what their supposed offenses we're, but why not do it? What kind of a person runs a message board that way?  

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Just now, juliann said:

I've lost track of how long it has been since Nemesis took over the FAIR board. Nemesis deserves nothing but praise, he maintains and pays for the board himself. It amazes me he keeps it up after all these years when he doesn't even use it himself (other than the rare comment.) It is pure service to all of us who hang around here. This is a unique place with a long history, so long live Nemesis.

Disagree about "nothing but praise." Maintaining this with his own money is a good thing, but do you disagree that even that doesn't excuse his management style? Where else do people never know what their offenses are?

Has he ever admitted that he messed up and undone something? Anyone aware of an example? That would show me something.

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10 minutes ago, rongo said:

The frustrating things is that @Nemesis has posted since the ban happened, so he should respond at least to a private message. Especially when there doesn't appear to be any reason to anybody. I'm sure Nemesis has read this thread, too, but is just lying low and waiting for this to blow over. He's posted since then, and the this thread title has to have caught his attention.

Nemesis always says he doesn't check often, doesn't communicate, etc., but it looks like more of a cowardly or lazy thing when he doesn't respond than a "too busy" thing. Nemesis takes the time to banter extensively, when he wants to. e.g., the thread where he was musing about being bishop of the MDDB ward. 

The other thing that bothers me is how it appears people can be banned for frivolous things, simply because someone reports something. Does Nemesis ever decide a flag or report was nonsense? 

Periodically, there is discussion about why this isn't as good as it used to be, where have manu good poster gone, etc. We're looking at exhibit A, right here.

 

Setting a precedent for explaining bans means he has to spend time explaining to anyone who asks. Wanting to banter does not mean he has the energy or desire to explain decisions. It is also possible Nemesis wasn’t the one who did it. When the mod does explain themselves the poster will (almost inevitably) want to present a counter argument and why would the mod want to have that kind of boring back and forth? I know I love talking to people who assume that my not wanting to debate them about a decision I make makes me “cowardly or lazy”.

Mods have decided a flag or report was nonsense. I know. I submitted a report or two that was deliberate nonsense as a joke. No one was thread banned. I have gotten explanations once or twice for a ban but it wasn’t through inquiring. It was by entertaining the mod. Last time I did I sent a hyperbolic self-deprecating message about the rank injustice of the thread ban and how I can prove I was not guilt. I got a short response telling me that I got the reason for the ban wrong. Once corrected I had to respond along the lines of ‘Well yeah, I did do that. Fair enough. Hugs and Kisses, Nehor’

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2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Setting a precedent for explaining bans means he has to spend time explaining to anyone who asks. Wanting to banter does not mean he has the energy or desire to explain decisions. It is also possible Nemesis wasn’t the one who did it. When the mod does explain themselves the poster will (almost inevitably) want to present a counter argument and why would the mod want to have that kind of boring back and forth? I know I love talking to people who assume that my not wanting to debate them about a decision I make makes me “cowardly or lazy”.

Mods have decided a flag or report was nonsense. I know. I submitted a report or two that was deliberate nonsense as a joke. No one was thread banned. I have gotten explanations once or twice for a ban but it wasn’t through inquiring. It was by entertaining the mod. Last time I did I sent a hyperbolic self-deprecating message about the rank injustice of the thread ban and how I can prove I was not guilt. I got a short response telling me that I got the reason for the ban wrong. Once corrected I had to respond along the lines of ‘Well yeah, I did do that. Fair enough. Hugs and Kisses, Nehor’

1) Nemesis could reply in private, as I first contacted him. He could also be terse and brief. I still think that even "jerks" deserve some sort of brief response. He doesn't have to get into a ***-for-tat in threads.

2) If flags or reports don't trigger bans, then that raises even more questions.

3) I'm getting dangerously close to "RIP rongo: 2003-2022" territory. 

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6 minutes ago, rongo said:

Before I have to walk the plank for speaking evil of Nemesis, a couple more thoughts.

1) Has a thread originator ever been banned from his own thread? I doubt it, and definitely not when not behaving outrageously. No one has any idea what the offending post was!

2) The arbitrariness here is astounding. Why can't @Tacenda get rep points, bit other posters who are at least as vocal in their skepticism and unhappiness with the Church can? Nemesis has said before, "It's my board, I can do what I want for whatever reasons I want, and I don't have to explain myself to anyone." Technically true, yes, but just what kind of a parent, spouse, neighbor, etc. is a person like that like? No, you don't have to tell people what their supposed offenses we're, but why not do it? What kind of a person runs a message board that way?  

1) Oh, I did this once if I remember right! Do I get a gold star?

2) The kind of person for whom it is a hobby and doesn’t care that much about their own dignity or the dignity of offended posters who are (in metaphorical terms) hanging out on your property.

4 minutes ago, rongo said:

Disagree about "nothing but praise." Maintaining this with his own money is a good thing, but do you disagree that even that doesn't excuse his management style? Where else do people never know what their offenses are?

Has he ever admitted that he messed up and undone something? Anyone aware of an example? That would show me something.

Excuse his management style? What?

This isn’t sin that is going to damn you to hell. It is being kicked off a thread. It is not a stain on your honor. If I were a mod and made a decision that in retrospect seemed bad I probably wouldn’t bother undoing it. Just not do it again. It is just not important enough to want to reverse. Plus if you reverse something you establish a precedent that all your mod actions are up for debate and discussion and ‘there ain’t nobody got time for that’.

Modding is a thankless job. 

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