Gay kiss in the buzz light year movie

[rongo]

10 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Not comparable. Every (or almost every) sexual assault comes about through human choice. People grow up without one or both parents all the time with no one sinning to make it happen. I gave an example already. Women die in childbirth. Either parent could die to disease or injury.

Your example proves your rule. Women dying in childbirth is an astronomically tiny reason for one parent families,compared to divorce or extra-marital sex. Those are almost always the reason why there is only one parent.

As others have pointed out,tragic death also happens in this fallen world,but where the breakup of the ideal family comes about through agency (and not tragedy), then there is culpability. Somewhere,if not with both parties.

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, rongo said:

Your example proves your rule. Women dying in childbirth is an astronomically tiny reason for one parent families,compared to divorce or extra-marital sex. Those are almost always the reason why there is only one parent.

As others have pointed out,tragic death also happens in this fallen world,but where the breakup of the ideal family comes about through agency (and not tragedy), then there is culpability. Somewhere,if not with both parties.

Not really. Plus it is the child that is entitled. Why should the child lose the entitlement if their parent or parents screw up?

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

It just seems an odd thing to say someone is entitled to something but they only get it when circumstances do not deny it to them. 

I don't see it as odd.  It's like saying that someone is entitled to a free car wash but then the day they go the car wash is broken.  Or closed.  Entitled does not mean guaranteed.

[The Nehor]

34 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I don't see it as odd.  It's like saying that someone is entitled to a free car wash but then the day they go the car wash is broken.  Or closed.  Entitled does not mean guaranteed.

Yeah, but in the context of the proclamation it suggests that God wants this entitlement bestowed which changes it a bit. Just odd.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Obehave said:

In vitro fertilization involves both a man and a woman, just as the old fashioned way does except for how the man fertilizes the woman's egg(s).

Cloning, as I understand it, involves duplicating the cells of only one sex, male OR female.  If I'm wrong and cloning involves both a man and a woman then I can see how that could work.     

Cloning a male embryo that is then implanted in a woman involves both.  I was just getting technical.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, rongo said:

Women dying in childbirth is an astronomically tiny reason for one parent families,compared to divorce or extra-marital sex.

Only recently.  For the majority of humanity’s existence, death in childbirth was unfortunately common.

[Calm]

11 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, but in the context of the proclamation it suggests that God wants this entitlement bestowed which changes it a bit. Just odd.

A child is deserving of two parents, etc. might be a better phrasing (that kind of wording bugs me, like when people demand they have rights no one can take from them when it is very easy to actually take them).

Edited June 24, 2022 by Calm

[The Nehor]

48 minutes ago, Calm said:

A child is deserving of two parents, etc. might be a better phrasing (that kind of wording bugs me, like when people demand they have rights no one can take from them when it is very easy to actually take them.

That works. The best example I heard of this lately was this guy:

https://www.newsweek.com/explosion-house-arms-blown-off-warren-michigan-hospital-1715138

Guy lost his right to bear arms and his right to bear firearms at the same time.

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, but in the context of the proclamation it suggests that God wants this entitlement bestowed which changes it a bit. Just odd.

I can see where you are coming from, but I don't really see it any differently than saying that God wants His children to make choices that will bless their own children.  What He chooses to do is a different topic completely (is how I read it).

[The Nehor]

5 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I can see where you are coming from, but I don't really see it any differently than saying that God wants His children to make choices that will bless their own children.  What He chooses to do is a different topic completely (is how I read it).

It might be an emotional thing for me. My hackles raise when God commands that I or everyone do something so things can go well and then seems to set it up so that everything is against it actually happening even with the best will in the world.

[Calm]

10 hours ago, rongo said:

I’m not saying a cloned human body isn't "capable" of housing a spirit. It seems to me that it might be venturing into "abomination" territory --- meddling with the plan of salvation (especially if the pre-existence plays a more vital role in earth life than you like to think). In that case, attempting to have spirits dwell in bodies they weren't supposed to would be a "bad" thing.

Some people believe in vitro is usurping God’s role. I believe I have read it described as an abomination or something similar, both for that reason and because it is so unnatural, taking place outside the body. 
 

I am not making any claims about cloning myself. I am just pointing out there is no logical way to figure out where the line that must not be crossed is crossed. And to believe that a spirit wouldn’t enter such a body is a huge leap of faith. 
 

“especially if the pre-existence plays a more vital role in earth life than you like to think” 

Explain please.   Why wouldn’t God anticipate a body created by cloning just as he could anticipate a body made by in vitro or by extramarital sex?  Even if cloned, it wouldn’t be identical to the source DNA. Look at how identical twins can be different, sometimes very different and they would be in the same womb and likely raised in an environment that was almost identical instead a different womb and all those different chemical balances plus in an environment that was likely years apart from the original individual. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Calm

[Calm]

23 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

That works. The best example I heard of this lately was this guy:

https://www.newsweek.com/explosion-house-arms-blown-off-warren-michigan-hospital-1715138

Guy lost his right to bear arms and his right to bear firearms at the same time.

I am having a hard time feeling sorry for the guy. 

[Calm]

19 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

It might be an emotional thing for me. My hackles raise when God commands that I or everyone do something so things can go well and then seems to set it up so that everything is against it actually happening even with the best will in the world.

I know the feeling. I am quite capable (well trained by parents) and enjoy doing many things that help people, but then I end up with a sleep disorder that leaves me no energy to do more than just take care of myself, if that.   All the commandments I can’t follow through on even if I want to…and every time I make some progress and anticipate becoming more active, something else pops up preventing it.  Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. What is being accomplished?

Would make much more sense to give it to a natural couch potato.

Edited June 23, 2022 by Calm

[mbh26]

Disney had no problem cutting homosexual scenes when the CCP demanded it.  They're not going to show that same courtesy to conservative American parents.  

[Rivers]

14 minutes ago, mbh26 said:

Disney had no problem cutting homosexual scenes when the CCP demanded it.  They're not going to show that same courtesy to conservative American parents.  

And conservative parents can choose not to pay to see the movie.  They can even choose to unsubscribe to Disney +.  People vote with their wallet.

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, mbh26 said:

Disney had no problem cutting homosexual scenes when the CCP demanded it.  They're not going to show that same courtesy to conservative American parents.  

You want to be treated like an authoritarian government?

[rongo]

4 minutes ago, Rivers said:

And conservative parents can choose not to pay to see the movie.  They can even choose to unsubscribe to Disney +.  People vote with their wallet.

Or never having subscribed to Disney + (or Netflix, Hulu, HBO, etc.) in the first place. There actually are some of us in existence.

We're often asked what we did with our kids to have them turn out like they did,and we tell them that they don't really want our life. Not really. They turn around and weep, for they have many possessions. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, rongo said:

We're often asked what we did with our kids to have them turn out like they did, and we tell them that they don't really want our life. Not really.

For years, a woman in my ward has told me that she lies awake at night fretting over what I'm missing because I don't own a television. She actually tried to give me her old one once.

I honestly have no clue where I would find space in my life for such a thing. I'd much rather live life than pay to watch others pretend to do it for me ...

Edited June 24, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan

[MikeFoxtrot]

Now, this may shock some of you, but I saw this scene as a young child, and I didn’t turn out L, G, B, T, Q, or a rabbitophile. I think the kids might be okay. 

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, MikeFoxtrot said:

Now, this may shock some of you, but I saw this scene as a young child, and I didn’t turn out L, G, B, T, Q, or a rabbitophile. I think the kids might be okay. 

And I saw that same scene and……..oh…..never mind.

[The Nehor]

10 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

For years, a woman in my ward has told me that she lies awake at night fretting over what I'm missing because I don't own a television. She actually tried to give me her old one once..

That is probably the dumbest reason for anxiety I have ever heard.

[CA Steve]

40 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

That is probably the dumbest reason for anxiety I have ever heard.

The entire story is weird. Anyone with a smart device (phone, tablet, TV, computer, etc.) connected to the internet should know that you can see "TV" programing on those devices. Hello? U-Tube TV anyone? So why should the person fret about HT not have an actual TV when he obviously has a computer connected to the internet? Also, the issue these days with wasting time in front of a screen isn't so much with TV as it is with social media.  I mean it's not like any of us here have that problem is it?. I'll be right back after I check the Social Forum for new posts.  🤪 

[provoman]

On 6/21/2022 at 11:48 AM, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Was there an agenda in the movie Incredibles when this happened?

What movie does not have an agenda? 

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, provoman said:

What movie does not have an agenda? 

[mbh26]

On 6/23/2022 at 10:39 PM, Rivers said:

And conservative parents can choose not to pay to see the movie.  They can even choose to unsubscribe to Disney +.  People vote with their wallet.

It'd be nice if Disney provided a conservative version for American conservatives like they do for China.  Why do they not do that given that it would more than likely make them more money?