bsjkki Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Full video of Elder Bednar with Q&A. They touch on many controversial topics. 1 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) There was an earlier thread on this that I missed. Sorry. The Q&A was very interesting. I loved the ‘we leave our nets’ quote. The Daily Universe had a nice write up. Edited June 19, 2022 by bsjkki 3 Link to comment
california boy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Looks like the Catholic Church is working on actual ways to include gay couples into their membership. Nice to see that they feel they can reach out and be more inclusive in how they treat their LGBT members. Pope Francis Suggests Gay Civil Unions May Be Tolerable By Church 4 Link to comment
CV75 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) Th full transcript: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-bednar-national-press-club-speech ...and some from the Q&A: https://www.ldsliving.com/tv-shows-stereotypes-and-church-assets-5-of-elder-bednars-best-replies-at-the-national-press-club-luncheon/s/10708 Edited June 19, 2022 by CV75 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I wish “"We are proud to stand with our LGBTQ brothers and sisters," he said. "It is hard work and an objective worth fighting for” was more often put like “"We are proud to stand with our LGBTQ brothers and sisters whenever and wherever we can***, etc”. We (faithful members) can’t stand with every LGBTQ individual in every case where they would like us to stand, so I think the latter version is more accurate and would result in less confusion, frustration, and less calls of hypocrisy or lying. ***meaning whenever and wherever standing with them does not conflict with our beliefs and standards. 2 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, CV75 said: Th full transcript: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-bednar-national-press-club-speech This is really good but does not include the Q&A. I’ve been trying to find a transcript of that portion. It was really interesting. On the video I think it starts at the 42 minute mark. 1 Link to comment
Stormin' Mormon Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) Don't hold your breath on the Catholic church changing very much to accomodate gay couples and civil unions. While they have softened their tone in recent years (much like the LDS church), and done more with outreach to the LGBTQ community (much like the LDS church), there have been no effort to change doctrine and policy (much like the LDS church). https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/world/europe/pope-gay-civil-unions.html Edited June 20, 2022 by Stormin' Mormon Link to comment
bsjkki Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, CV75 said: ..and some from the Q&A: https://www.ldsliving.com/tv-shows-stereotypes-and-church-assets-5-of-elder-bednars-best-replies-at-the-national-press-club-luncheon/s/10708 Thanks. This has most of it. 🙂 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Calm said: I wish “"We are proud to stand with our LGBTQ brothers and sisters," he said. "It is hard work and an objective worth fighting for” was more often put like “"We are proud to stand with our LGBTQ brothers and sisters whenever and wherever we can***, etc”. We (faithful members) can’t stand with every LGBTQ individual in every case where they would like us to stand, so I think the latter version is more accurate and would result in less confusion, frustration, and less calls of hypocrisy or lying. ***meaning whenever and wherever standing with them does not conflict with our beliefs and standards. Just saw this meme, hopefully not offending anyone but thought that's how it feels to some LGBTQ Link to comment
Ipod Touch Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Congrats to Elder Bednar for winning the Heisman Trophy! Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I wonder why we don’t differentiate between sealing and marriage? “We believe sealings between man and woman are ordained of God.” 2 Link to comment
rongo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I wonder why we don’t differentiate between sealing and marriage? “We believe sealings between man and woman are ordained of God.” Because the Church also doesn't support gay marriage. Under the same logic as Elder Paul Johnson gave when he addressed the gay dating issue at BYU: because only men-women marriages are vid in heaven, anything that gets people further away from that is to be discouraged. I don't think there is a way, doctrinally, for the Church to come out in support of gay marriages. Elder Bednar's quoting of the Proclamation in response to the question really is the doctrinal underpinning to this,I think. ETA: I think @bluebell's comparison with LDS children living together is a good one. We can support and love family and friends in Tris boat (and we do), but it will forever be incompatible with the gospel and the Church. Supporting gay marriage (but not sealing) is the same. Edited June 20, 2022 by rongo 2 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Church doesn’t have to come out in support of gay marriage any more than they need to support French kissing outside of marriage. IMO. Let marriage be a civil term and issue. We all know the church sees sealings as superior to marriage anyway. 1 Link to comment
rongo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: Church doesn’t have to come out in support of gay marriage any more than they need to support French kissing outside of marriage. IMO. Let marriage be a civil term and issue. We all know the church sees sealings as superior to marriage anyway. I agree, which is probably why the status quo will reign: love and be kind to everyone, but no need to come out in support of gay marriage (or people living together). Preach the truth and try to convince people to repent and change. Be kind and diplomatic. Link to comment
Calm Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Ipod Touch said: Congrats to Elder Bednar for winning the Heisman Trophy! You lost me… Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, rongo said: I agree, which is probably why the status quo will reign: love and be kind to everyone, but no need to come out in support of gay marriage (or people living together). Preach the truth and try to convince people to repent and change. Be kind and diplomatic. I agree with all , except I don’t try to convince people to repent. If someone tries to be a better human because they know me, I’m doing my part. ❤️ Link to comment
Ipod Touch Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Calm said: You lost me… NPC is where they used to give out the award. Ty Detmer phoned in from Hawaii in 90. Link to comment
california boy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, rongo said: Because the Church also doesn't support gay marriage. Under the same logic as Elder Paul Johnson gave when he addressed the gay dating issue at BYU: because only men-women marriages are vid in heaven, anything that gets people further away from that is to be discouraged. Based on exactly what revelation?? Or is this just one of those blacks and the priesthood, personal opinion thing that people think is doctrine from God? Edit: I see that Hamba gave me an downvote. Predictable. I also see that he didn't answer the question, because he knows there is NO revelation that says only men-women marriages are vid in heaven. So if you don't have an answer, just register a down vote. Edited June 21, 2022 by california boy 1 Link to comment
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