White Nationalists (Some from Utah) Planned to Attack LGBTQ Rally in Idaho

[sunstoned]

3 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

It would be odd, also because white supremacists groups like the Klu Klux Klan historically hate the Latter-day Saints also.

On the contrary.  LDS are well represented in the white supremacists groups.  Case in point: deznat.

[teddyaware]

3 hours ago, smac97 said:

Blech:

More info here.

A bit about Patriot Front (it ain't good...) :

Fortunately, this group does not appear to be very big:

Nevertheless, it is still terrible to see this happening.  

As noted above, six of the participants are from Utah, and two are from Idaho.  I could not find any social media content from any of them, so there's no way to ascertain whether they are members of the Church.  If they are, that would be pretty troubling, and incompatible with the clear counsel we have received from Pres. Nelson and other leaders of the Church condemning racism, violence, etc.  

As it is, these fellows sort of lucked out, as they were stopped before they did anything violent (which was clearly their intent), and so they only face misdemeanor charges.  

Racism of every sort is abhorrent.  Politically-motivated violence is abhorrent.  

Thanks,

-Smac

Are you aware of the fact that unified members of the notoriously violent Antifa organization were there to lend support to the event, and that The Satanic Temple (TST) was a sponsor of the event until other sponsoring organizations threatened to withdraw their support unless TST’s sponsorship was removed? One of the events the TST devotees were planning to host at the event were blasphemous “unbaptism” rituals. Is it any wonder that right wing extremists were planning on being a countervailing presence at the event? It’s astonishing to me that Antifa and some of its allied organizations caused multiple deaths and 2 billion dollars in property damage during the orgy of arson that occurred at the 2020 leftist riots, yet I’m willing to bet most on this board will see Antifa as “the good guys.” This amounts to a very unfair and imbalanced approach to criminal justice. Here’s an article about The Satanic Temple being forced to withdraw its sponsorship of the event. https://www.christianpost.com/news/satanic-temple-removed-from-pride-event-featuring-unbaptisms.html

[rodheadlee]

Selective enforcement. They were not armed they were charged with a misdemeanor. BLM, Antifa, Ruth sent us and more groups are guilty of much more. 

They don't even enforce the laws about picketing in front of a judge's house with the intent to change the judges' decision. 

[The Nehor]

7 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I don’t understand what this has to with the church. We are assuming an affiliation because some arrested were from Idaho and Utah? 
 

This group is awful and it seems everyone agrees. 

The 31 people arrested were reported (so far) to be from ten different states. Idaho and Utah are on the list but this was not a local group. The group’s founder was also arrested. That guy is a piece of work.

The Pride event they were going to protest did get a bunch of Christian Nationalists praying at them from adherents of the America First movement. They are even more openly Nazi. When you deliberately name yourself after the domestic anti-war group that praised Hitler and advocated staying out of the war back in the 30s and 40s then…….yeah.

[The Nehor]

4 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Selective enforcement. They were not armed they were charged with a misdemeanor. BLM, Antifa, Ruth sent us and more groups are guilty of much more. 

They don't even enforce the laws about picketing in front of a judge's house with the intent to change the judges' decision. 

And another whataboutism contender has entered to defend the white ethnostate enthusiasts.

[sunstoned]

3 hours ago, bluebell said:

If any of them are members they should probably have a disciplinary council (or whatever it is called now).

 

They are not publicly questioning church policy, so they are safe from council.  It seems that storming the capital on Jan 6th or instigating an armed rebellion (Cliven Bundy) will not trigger a court of love.  But if you are a sex therapist who questions the church's LQBTQ policy, or a podcaster who fact checks a GA talk, then look out.

[The Nehor]

9 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

Are you aware of the fact that unified members of the notoriously violent Antifa organization were there to lend support to the event, and that The Satanic Temple (TST) was a sponsor of the event until other sponsoring organizations threatened to withdraw their support unless TST’s sponsorship was removed? One of the events the TST devotees were planning to host at the event were blasphemous “unbaptism” rituals. Is it any wonder that right wing extremists were planning on being a countervailing presence at the event? It’s astonishing to me that Antifa and some of its allied organizations caused multiple deaths and 2 billion dollars in property damage during the orgy of arson that occurred at the 2020 leftist riots, yet I’m willing to bet most on this board will see Antifa as “the good guys.” This amounts to a very unfair and imbalanced approach to criminal justice. Here’s an article about The Satanic Temple being forced to withdraw its sponsorship of the event. https://www.christianpost.com/news/satanic-temple-removed-from-pride-event-featuring-unbaptisms.html

They just keep coming!

Blasphemous “unbaptism” rituals? You would fit well with the groups threatening church members for our blasphemous rituals to baptize the dead. It is meaningless theater. Establishing a white nationalist ethnostate involves advocating that we literally withdraw constitutional and other rights from people. Stop trying to make them the same. They’re not. One is theater. One is a direct threat to many American citizens if they gain power.

[sunstoned]

3 hours ago, teddyaware said:

It’s a shame law enforcement around the country wasn’t similarly vigilant and precautionary back 2020 when the BLM riots caused 25 deaths, hundreds of serious injuries, thousands of ruined lives, and 2 billion dollars  in property damage. 

Yes, it would have been so much better if the police would have policed themselves and perhaps prevented some of the violations that sparked the BLM riots.

[Tacenda]

13 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

On the contrary.  LDS are well represented in the white supremacists groups.  Case in point: deznat.

Interesting, the tie in, in this article and check the meme put out by a deznat. Very possible that there were a couple there. https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/deseret-nation-alt-right-mormon-militants-or-twitter-truth-defenders/

[bsjkki]

2 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

The 31 people arrested were reported (so far) to be from ten different states. Idaho and Utah are on the list but this was not a local group. The group’s founder was also arrested. That guy is a piece of work.

The Pride event they were going to protest did get a bunch of Christian Nationalists praying at them from adherents of the America First movement. They are even more openly Nazi. When you deliberately name yourself after the domestic anti-war group that praised Hitler and advocated staying out of the war back in the 30s and 40s then…….yeah.

They are a national group who has done this stuff before. Not local. We agree. Awful people. 
 

The interesting thing are the misdemeanor charges of ‘conspiracy to riot.’ That’s a new one for me and I’ve read ‘conspiracy to riot’ in the federal level has been shot down. I would think a misdemeanor traveling in a vehicle in an illegal way might stick. But, maybe that would only get the driver?
 

I’m glad they were all arrested but if carrying shields means they were going to be violent, I hope that same standard applies for everyone. I read a local from the hotel tipped off the cops but also that they had informants in their chats. Happy they are arrested and names known. Great way to prevent groups like these in the future. 
 

But, ‘conspiracy to riot’ might run afoul of some first amendment issues. 

[The Nehor]

6 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

They are not publicly questioning church policy, so they are safe from council.  It seems that storming the capital on Jan 6th or instigating an armed rebellion (Cliven Bundy) will not trigger a court of love.  But if you are a sex therapist who questions the church's LQBTQ policy, or a podcaster who fact checks a GA talk, then look out.

There is no way to know if any of the Bundy family have been severed from the church. It is possible though. The only evidence I have is complaining about how socialists have taken over the church. That could be a backhanded whine about being booted.

[LoudmouthMormon]

My big take on this news?  Hats off to Coeur d'Alene for having the guts and brains to have a law on the books that allows cops to take action when a bunch of goons in uniforms and start organizing themselves into something that seems to be heading towards riotous violence.  

Compared to places like Portland and Seattle, where DA's routinely refuse to prosecute people who have been arrested for actually committing riotous violence, this story from Coeur d'Alene is a refreshing bit of sanity.

[rongo]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Interesting, the tie in, in this article and check the meme put out by a deznat. Very possible that there were a couple there. https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/deseret-nation-alt-right-mormon-militants-or-twitter-truth-defenders/

Deznat is just people who make jokes and memes on Facebook. They aren't an organization, and they don't "do" things (like go to rallies). 

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

They are a national group who has done this stuff before. Not local. We agree. Awful people. 
 

The interesting thing are the misdemeanor charges of ‘conspiracy to riot.’ That’s a new one for me and I’ve read ‘conspiracy to riot’ in the federal level has been shot down. I would think a misdemeanor traveling in a vehicle in an illegal way might stick. But, maybe that would only get the driver?
 

I’m glad they were all arrested but if carrying shields means they were going to be violent, I hope that same standard applies for everyone. I read a local from the hotel tipped off the cops but also that they had informants in their chats. Happy they are arrested and names known. Great way to prevent groups like these in the future. 
 

But, ‘conspiracy to riot’ might run afoul of some first amendment issues. 

They said to each other that they were planning to riot and it was reportedly recorded by an informant (details on how it was recorded have not been released as far as I know).

For those concerned about these poor fascists they have all already been bailed out. I have been told that the maximum penalty for the charge is a year in prison but I haven’t verified that so take with a shaker of salt. It is also possible more crimes may come out.

[bsjkki]

Just now, The Nehor said:

They said to each other that they were planning to riot and it was reportedly recorded by an informant (details on how it was recorded have not been released as far as I know).

For those concerned about these poor fascists they have all already been bailed out. I have been told that the maximum penalty for the charge is a year in prison but I haven’t verified that so take with a shaker of salt. It is also possible more crimes may come out.

That is what I didn’t know. Was it just the hotel tip or more? Thanks! Not concerned about the white supremacists but curious about the charges and case. 

[The Nehor]

17 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

That is what I didn’t know. Was it just the hotel tip or more? Thanks! Not concerned about the white supremacists but curious about the charges and case. 

The group has been on the FBI’s radar for some time. It is possible they were involved in tipping off local law enforcement and/or providing evidence.

[Pyreaux]

58 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

On the contrary.  LDS are well represented in the white supremacists groups.  Case in point: deznat.

I don't know much about deznats. They are white supremacists, you say? I skimmed a few search results. They appear to be many bad things in one, but nothing was too specific or clear about what they say and do, just that they are vigilantes in the vain of "Danites". People who openly identify as a Deznat can be a member in good standing? Or is it more underground? Or a twitter group?

[The Nehor]

11 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

I don't know much about deznats. They are white supremacists, you say? I skimmed a few search results. They appear to be many bad things in one, but nothing was too specific or clear about what they say and do, just that they are vigilantes in the vain of "Danites". People who openly identify as a Deznat can be a member in good standing? Or is it more underground? Or a twitter group?

It was created in 2018. The original advocate was for a state of Deseret as a kind of theocratic state. Most users suggest it be a white ethnostate but they wouldn’t describe it that overtly. Not usually at least. More a “separate but equal” or “everyone amongst their own kind” bit. Then they used memes that came from the sewers of the internet where they were designed by white supremacists for white supremacists. They just rebranded it as a church compatible thing. 

[mrmarklin]

5 hours ago, smac97 said:

Blech:

More info here.

A bit about Patriot Front (it ain't good...) :

Fortunately, this group does not appear to be very big:

Nevertheless, it is still terrible to see this happening.  

As noted above, six of the participants are from Utah, and two are from Idaho.  I could not find any social media content from any of them, so there's no way to ascertain whether they are members of the Church.  If they are, that would be pretty troubling, and incompatible with the clear counsel we have received from Pres. Nelson and other leaders of the Church condemning racism, violence, etc.  

As it is, these fellows sort of lucked out, as they were stopped before they did anything violent (which was clearly their intent), and so they only face misdemeanor charges.  

Racism of every sort is abhorrent.  Politically-motivated violence is abhorrent.  

Thanks,

-Smac

The sources I have from another forum indicate that this may have been a FBI setup. No one from the area had ever heard of this. 

[smac97]

49 minutes ago, mrmarklin said:

The sources I have from another forum indicate that this may have been a FBI setup. No one from the area had ever heard of this. 

 How would the FBI go about setting up a pre existing White nationalist group to get them to end up being in the back of U-haul truck?   It seems more likely that these guys just set themselves up.

[bsjkki]

54 minutes ago, mrmarklin said:

The sources I have from another forum indicate that this may have been a FBI setup. No one from the area had ever heard of this. 

I’m sure their may have been an FBI informant but these guys having been doing this for years. They are not victims. They are not a local group. 

[provoman]

6 hours ago, smac97 said:

Blech:

More info here.

A bit about Patriot Front (it ain't good...) :

Fortunately, this group does not appear to be very big:

Nevertheless, it is still terrible to see this happening.  

As noted above, six of the participants are from Utah, and two are from Idaho.  I could not find any social media content from any of them, so there's no way to ascertain whether they are members of the Church.  If they are, that would be pretty troubling, and incompatible with the clear counsel we have received from Pres. Nelson and other leaders of the Church condemning racism, violence, etc.  

As it is, these fellows sort of lucked out, as they were stopped before they did anything violent (which was clearly their intent), and so they only face misdemeanor charges.  

Racism of every sort is abhorrent.  Politically-motivated violence is abhorrent.  

Thanks,

-Smac

I am skeptical of the Chiefs claims - specifically the Chief claim that they came to riot; that is, their stated/written objective (conspiracy) was to riot.   

Shields, protective gear, mace, smoke emitting devices.....those are sort of standard issue for "protesting" now days in the United States.  

IF, the groups stated organizational goal was to assault others, destroy property, etc,  as required under Idaho's law about riots (RIOT, ROUT, UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY, PRIZE FIGHTING, DISTURBING PEACE   Riot as a felony or misdemeanor), then sure go get'em. But I am leery to wag my hand at any folks in this type of situation. Those we despise, who are subject to the laws of the United States, are also entitled to the protections guaranteed under our laws. 

Also, current reports are they ALL have been bailed out of jail. In Idaho, if I am reading the law(s) correctly, conspiracy alone is a felony regardless of the criminal status of the conspired crime, I find it difficult to believe that all 31 could be released if there was compelling evidence two or more conspiring to riot.

Idaho conspiracy law

Idaho law designating conspiracy as a felony

I fully acknowledge I can be incorrect. I fully acknowledge that their conduct could satisfy the elements of riot and conspiracy. Until the police/prosecutor show substantive evidence, I think it sets a dangerous precedent to assume their guilt.  All facts known being the same, I would think same of any group. 

[provoman]

34 minutes ago, smac97 said:

 How would the FBI go about setting up a pre existing White nationalist group to get them to end up being in the back of U-haul truck?   It seems more likely that these guys just set themselves up.

The plot against the Governor of Michigan

2 men acquitted in 2020 plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, mrmarklin said:

The sources I have from another forum indicate that this may have been a FBI setup. No one from the area had ever heard of this. 

That is a reflexive right wing rebuttal now. Everything is a false flag event or a setup. Causing trouble at an event is exactly the kind of thing this group would do and has done. The FBI wouldn’t need to cajole them into doing it.

[The Nehor]

5 minutes ago, provoman said:

The plot against the Governor of Michigan

2 men acquitted in 2020 plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer

Those jurors were idiots.