White Nationalists (Some from Utah) Planned to Attack LGBTQ Rally in Idaho

[Calm]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Patriot Front has been one of the loudest domestic groups preaching white nationalism online. They have been too blatant and are having trouble recruiting people. Usually they have tried to motivate others and focus on propaganda. They have been trying to artificially inflate their numbers and online presence using bots and other social media tricks. This has largely failed because they don’t have much money and because they are idiots. This intent to intervene more violently makes it look like they are growing more desperate for publicity.

They have tied Americanism to blood. By that of course they mean European blood. Big on strong borders and antisemitism.

Currently there are people identifying all the arrested with the intent to “name and shame”. A lot of these people are probably going to lose their jobs in the near future in addition to being arrested. 

Wasn’t the group the Laffertys got hooked into with avoiding taxes the Patriot Front?  Or was it just something that sounds the same?

added:  my mistake, it was Patriot Network

Edited June 14, 2022 by Calm

[helix]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It was created in 2018. The original advocate was for a state of Deseret as a kind of theocratic state. Most users suggest it be a white ethnostate but they wouldn’t describe it that overtly. Not usually at least. More a “separate but equal” or “everyone amongst their own kind” bit. Then they used memes that came from the sewers of the internet where they were designed by white supremacists for white supremacists. They just rebranded it as a church compatible thing. 

No, that's not correct.  They didn't start out as white nationalists or wanting a theocratic state.   

DezNat started out as more of a group oriented toward the strongly orthodox, vocal defenders of church conservatism, and they fought against so-called progressivism in the church and in the world, especially as it relates to the Family Proclamation.  Their tactics often treated rudeness as a sport.  The crasser they could be, the more entertaining to them.  They had a tendency for unrelenting opposition to apostasy and sometimes employed metaphorical weapon imagery to back that up. 

The founder JP Bellum, posted at teancum's javelin often.  He gave a full description of it here:  https://web.archive.org/web/20210717160111/https://teancumsjavelin.com/post/deznat-bowie-knives-progmo-s-and-following-the-prophet/.  As the founder said: "All were welcome as long as they recognized God’s authority and were willing to work together to build the Kingdom of God. This was my inspiration to start a new hashtag that would be welcoming to all who were willing to build the kingdom and defend the church and its leaders online."

Early on they weren't related to the alt-right movement.  Those who use the hashtag sometimes just shared scriptures, talks, testimonies.  Others advocated for expressly anti-racist views.  Some examples of this from the DezNat founder:

• "Throughout the history of the world, Satan has used a variety of ideologies to accomplish this. Examples of these include racism, antisemitism, Nazism, fascism, communism, and socialism."
• "Imagine you come across a cannibal discouraged at the idea that eating humans is prohibited. If that’s too difficult for you, a racist weeping over the denouncement of white supremacy by church leaders. Should we as members of the church weep with them even though these practices blatantly go against church teachings? Of course not! This standard is illustrated at the end of the Book of Mormon."
• Yes, Spiritual Cancer, racism and elevation of it is evil and abhorrent and provides great cause to repent and that is exactly the point. We would never allow our love for racists – and in one of life’s great ironies, everyone seems to be missing the fact that, yes, indeed, the command to love our brothers and sisters applies just as much to racist men and women as it does to anyone else – to prevent us from condemning a philosophy that is so destructive and countered against the restored gospel of Jesus Christ"

As you can see, they were at times quite bombastic and eclectic. Unfortunately, the problem with many loosely organized social movements dedicated to some form of a fight is they start out with less drama and less hate.  Then over time the louder, meaner, and more radical ones tend to push away the quieter ones.  The hate grows.  Actual, dyed-in-the-wool racists are always wanting to jump into a group to espouse their views, and a handful have jumped into the DezNat movement to fill these voids. Today it has a strong overlap with the alt-right movement.  What remains of DezNat is almost exclusively violent imagery, mocking, hatred of so-called ProgMos, and basement dwelling memes. 

As of tonight, I've seen a handful of folks on social media, including this forum, desperately want to link Deznat to this group of white nationalists arrested in Idaho.  But I haven't seen anyone put forth any evidence that any were active members, let alone showing allegiance with DezNat views.

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by helix

[The Nehor]

54 minutes ago, helix said:

No, that's not correct.  They didn't start out as white nationalists or wanting a theocratic state.   

Wrong. They were just a little more subtle at first so they could plausibly deny it. It didn’t fool anyone who knew what they were doing or their supporters who definitely knew what they were supporting.

[The Nehor]

At least one Patriot Front member has been kicked out of his mom’s house.

It is a start.

[helix]

14 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Wrong. They were just a little more subtle at first so they could plausibly deny it. It didn’t fool anyone who knew what they were doing or their supporters who definitely knew what they were supporting.

So when the DezNat founder made post after post after post expressly denouncing and arguing against racism, it was all a subtle ploy that the group was secretly for racism?

That's absolutely incredible expert-level dogwhistling.  I'm impressed.

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by helix

[Pyreaux]

So, the Deznat's racism is unspoken then? They racist because it is heavily inferred? Or is there information only privy to those with connections to the group? Or are they individually racists and become racist as a group?

It looks like they are definitely against LBGT causes, sound not unlike these Idaho suspects. Are the Deznats violent? Have they done things like this?

Edited June 14, 2022 by Pyreaux

[helix]

2 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

So, the Deznat's racism is unspoken then? They racist because it is heavily inferred? Or is there information only privy to those those with connections to the group? Or are they individually racists and become racist as a group?

It looks like they are definitely against LBGT causes, sound not unlike these Idaho suspects. Are the Deznats violent? Have they done things like this?

DezNat didn't have anything to do with racial issues early on, and as I pointed out earlier with evidence, spoke out forcefully against racism.  But because of their crassness, rudeness, and heavy overlapping with various alt-right groups, racists have popped in.  But even now DezNat isn't really an organization about race, they're far more interested in being anti-progressive. 

As for violence.  DezNat, as far as I'm aware, haven't been involved in any actual violence.  They run their mouths non-stop, and it does involve violent symoblism.  But it hasn't translated beyond that.  I haven't heard of a single case of someone physically assaulting, calling in death threats, vandalizing, firebombing, rioting, etc., and putting their hashtag with it.  And nobody has shown any evidence these Patriot folks are in any way related to DezNat or influenced by them. 

Edited June 14, 2022 by helix

[teddyaware]

For some clarity, it turns out that only one of the 31 right wing extremists who were arrested at the Couer d’Alene, Idaho gay pride event were from Idaho, all the others are from out of state. In addition, the following article indicates that the arrested Patriot Front group is pagan in philosophy, with an anti-Christian bent. The article also discloses just how “family friendly” the Couer d’Alene gay pride event actually was. One thing is for sure, based on the article it most assuredly was NOT “family friendly. ://www.idahotribune.org/news/not-opinion-neo-nazis-white-lives-matter-patriot-front-satanists-antifa-drag-queens-turn-coeur-dalene-into-anti-christian-freakshow

Edited June 14, 2022 by teddyaware

[SeekingUnderstanding]

16 hours ago, longview said:

reading assignments containing soft porn (or outright abusive language, shocking violence, etc)

Have you read the Bible?

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, teddyaware said:

For some clarity, it turns out that only one of the 31 right wing extremists who were arrested at the Couer d’Alene, Idaho gay pride event were from Idaho, all the others are from out of state. In addition, the following article indicates that the arrested Patriot Front group is pagan in philosophy, with an anti-Christian bent. The article also discloses just how “family friendly” the Couer d’Alene gay pride event actually was. One thing is for sure, based on the article it most assuredly was NOT “family friendly. ://www.idahotribune.org/news/not-opinion-neo-nazis-white-lives-matter-patriot-front-satanists-antifa-drag-queens-turn-coeur-dalene-into-anti-christian-freakshow

This article is very one sided. How does Johnston Meadows know it's anti Christian, but if so I would say it's anti Bible interpretation. Not against Christ, because Christ never said anything about LGBTQ people. It's black and white, the article. No middle ground, like maybe families with LGBTQ children needing to be accepting and loving, or else possibly losing them to suicide. That's the biggest message IMO.

[provoman]

The more I read the more and more suspicious this looks against the police.

Antifa activist from Portland showed up, by car they had to travel 5+ hours to get to Idaho. 

Curious that antifa would show up, when Portland most certain had plenty of Pride events.

[Calm]

7 minutes ago, provoman said:

The more I read the more and more suspicious this looks against the police.

Antifa activist from Portland showed up, by car they had to travel 5+ hours to get to Idaho. 

Curious that antifa would show up, when Portland most certain had plenty of Pride events.

More media coverage if it is unusual?

[provoman]

13 minutes ago, Calm said:

More media coverage if it is unusual?

Twitters posts

@alissaazar (left activist) - she posted on June 11, 2022 a list of groups expected to show up, she also posted about antifa kicking people because of the perceived beliefs about those being kicked

@MrAndyNgo (right activist - I suppose) posted about antifa members/group being detained at the Idaho event. Also posted about the antifa member Robert John Storms who was for fighting in public and drug related crimes.

 

The opposing groups, in my opinion, have moles or spies in their ranks. I would not be surprised if the caller was essentially a provocateur that had been following the right wing group. 

 

[Danzo]

13 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Those jurors were idiots.

Says everyone who doesn't like a Jury verdict and doesn't understand burden of proof and beyond reasonable doubt.

[longview]

2 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Have you read the Bible?

Our God is a gracious God.  I have NO problem with children of all ages and abilities to obtain the SPIRIT as they read this greatest work literature and revelation IN ALL OF HISTORY.  You need an attitude adjustment, bro.

[ttribe]

39 minutes ago, longview said:

Our God is a gracious God.  I have NO problem with children of all ages and abilities to obtain the SPIRIT as they read this greatest work literature and revelation IN ALL OF HISTORY.  You need an attitude adjustment, bro.

You do know that the Bible contains instances of rape, incest, murder, infanticide, and genocide, right?

[Calm]

15 hours ago, mrmarklin said:

The sources I have from another forum indicate that this may have been a FBI setup. No one from the area had ever heard of this. 

And what type of forum would that be and what type of sources?  Locals?  People who watch white supremacy groups?  Conspiracy theorists?

[ttribe]

13 minutes ago, Calm said:

And what type of forum would that be and what type of sources?  Locals?  People who watch white supremacy groups?  Conspiracy theorists?

My guess - LDSFF

[rodheadlee]

18 hours ago, The Nehor said:

And another whataboutism contender has entered to defend the white ethnostate enthusiasts.

Says the guy with no children to be groomed.

[MiserereNobis]

2 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Says the guy with no children to be groomed.

I don't know, I bet his sugar gliders need to be groomed sometimes.

[provoman]

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Edited June 14, 2022 by provoman

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

Says the guy with no children to be groomed.

Define “groomed” in this context and then see if it matches the actual definition please.

[Durangout]

 

[The Nehor]

15 hours ago, helix said:

So when the DezNat founder made post after post after post expressly denouncing and arguing against racism, it was all a subtle ploy that the group was secretly for racism?

That's absolutely incredible expert-level dogwhistling.  I'm impressed.

 

Okay, let’s look at Logan Smith, aka JP Bellum, the anti-racist who started the Deznat hashtag. Let’s look at some quotes:

“Globalist agenda to make everyone gay usually overseen by the Jews.”

”Nazis didn’t exist until after women got the vote.”

“For this reason I support banning women from the internet.”

(About Brigham Young) “Never said he wasn’t racist just that we don’t care.”

”To borrow a line from JBP maybe it doesn’t matter if the holocaust happened or not, it’s more true than truth at this point so our decisions should be how do we interact with it rather than resist it.”

He used a Repealthe19th hashtag several times so we can throw misogyny in too. Someone denouncing racism is pointless if they spew racism. His continual denouncing of racism was designed to make his message palatable for idiots who realize that denouncing racism is irrelevant when the message they are sharing is racist and hateful and stupid and reeks of Nazism and uses the same rhetorical techniques and memes as literal Neo-Nazis.

It comes across like this:

 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

5 hours ago, longview said:

Our God is a gracious God.  I have NO problem with children of all ages and abilities to obtain the SPIRIT as they read this greatest work literature and revelation IN ALL OF HISTORY.  You need an attitude adjustment, bro.

So “reading assignments containing soft porn (or outright abusive language, shocking violence, etc)” is fine as long as *you agree with the source material. So it’s not actually the violence etc, you object to, but the exposure to ideas that don’t support your world view?

Edited June 14, 2022 by SeekingUnderstanding