Popular Post The Nehor Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I thought the message on suicide was timely. My stake has had one successful teenage suicide every full month this year so far including one in my ward. Then it got even more important as the issue just showed up again on a much closer level. My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. 10 Link to comment
Rain Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 minute ago, The Nehor said: My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. Hugs Link to comment
Rain Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: I want to tell so many people this, what you've said. If someone can just hold on one more day, to see how they feel. I'm often in a point in my life that I want to end it, but then I'm so glad I didn't because it can or will get better. I am currently trying to figure out a good way out if I'm diagnosed with Alzheimer's though. My mother got it really young and so I watched what happened to her and it really made me never want to live with it. She had so much grace, but me, not sure what I'll do or say. She's my hero, but it was so unfair. Glad you're here Rain. I know that you reached out to me once if I'm remembering right, and you even shared your home or cell number! What a sweet, sweet gesture. Hugs. Link to comment
Popular Post Rain Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: May I gently contradict you on this? No. You cannot contradict me on my own feelings! That was 30 years ago. I've had plenty of time to examine my feelings and believe me I have. 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: Even in the case of not wanting to be a burden, it's still escape. Just a different "take" on it. That the burden is perceived to be is on others, still engenders a desire for escape from the burden of being a burden. <- convoluted a bit, yes. Whether you're escaping for your own, or for another's pain, it is still an escape. I can perceive already what goes on when one feels one is a burden and one does not wish to be one. I'm 70 1/2, and I am feeling it in advance. I'm starting to feel the aches and pains of getting old more fully. Eventually I expect to be dependent again upon others, to be a burden on them. It was one of the very best things in my life when I finally got out of the house as a young man and started living on my own, paying my own way, dependent upon nobody, pulling my own weight, and when I married and the children started arriving, contributing in a meaningful way. I bore the burden, as the man of the house, and even when my wife was working, in our case at least she provided extras, but I provided the basis. I'll still have my retirement income, which is adequate, but I expect I'm going to be physically dependent on others, losing a portion of my freedom, which isn't so bad (because I'll be largely incapable of exercising freedom -- wheelchair? blind? something else?), but the worst of it will be having to rely upon others, to impose upon them the burden of taking care of me. I'd just about prefer to die, to hope that the Lord would take me before it comes to that. So there will still be some temptation to short-circuit the process, though I will studiously ignore it! I was hoping that the Lord would grant me that escape back in 2015 after my wife passed away, but He clearly had other things for me to do. 5 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 41 minutes ago, The Nehor said: My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. Best wishes to you and your family, Sir. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. Thank goodness it failed, she has a lot of life to live. Link to comment
Popular Post BlueDreams Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 12 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Elder Holland, in his recent address said the following: When he says “it will not relieve the pain you are feeling” how do you interpret that? Will those that die by suicide continue to suffer after death? I honestly don't know. I don't think there's a one size fits all on that one. It would assume that the reason people go down a course of suicide are equally the same. When I've worked with people who have dealt with some degree of ideation or attempts each context was so very different. Sometimes it's tied to chronic illness (including mental disorders) becoming unbearable, Sometimes it's in the midst of a bad relationship and struggling to picture a way out, sometimes it's being unable to manage problems in a healthy way, sometimes it's finding oneself trapped in their own wrong choices and struggling to see a means to fix it, etc. Each time there's usually a growing sense of hopelessness or loss of reason to live and try a new day. How can I know how that will carry in the next life? I'm sure there are many that it wouldn't relieve the pain...not at first. But I in my weakness feel such love for those I've met who are struggling with this. I know God loves them infinitely more. I assume for those who still struggle with the thought patterns and beliefs that drew them to suicide, would be mended one piece at a time for as long as it took for them to believe they are worth another day another moment...that they are loved and valuable even in their struggle. After all, Christ is described as being filled with compassion. That he came to heal and save. That every one's tears would be wiped away. There's nothing that makes them different. I'm more certain that the second part is nearly universally true. There is such a strange ripple effect that happens when someone dies by suicide. The thoughts and fears and sorrow that can often stream out to not only family, but friends, acquaintances and people one likely doesn't even know. This stream of love but also mutual pain that opens up anew when a story hits too close. I've never heard of a death by suicide where someone still living wasn't deeply affected. Considering, I don't read Holland's statement as more than an earnest plea to try and get at least one other people to choose to make it one more day and to get help in managing the heavy mental burden, considering the full context. With luv, BD 6 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 hours ago, The Nehor said: My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. Prayers and love for your family and you. 1 Link to comment
SwedishLDS Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: My teenage niece attempted suicide earlier today so if I seem a bit weird on this topic that is probably why. The attempt failed and she is going to be okay. Physically at least. very sorry to hear that. Hugs to you Link to comment
Jeanne Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 I am so sorry Nehor. Prayers for you and family. Jeanne Link to comment
rongo Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeanne said: I am so sorry Nehor. Prayers for you and family. Jeanne Long time, no hear, Jeanne! Good to hear from you! 3 Link to comment
Stargazer Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rain said: No. You cannot contradict me on my own feelings! That was 30 years ago. I've had plenty of time to examine my feelings and believe me I have. Actually, I wasn't contradicting your own feelings. Why would I do that? Or how could I? I was just saying that what you said wasn't an escape is just a different form of escape. You're entitled to disagree with me, and you do, so we're even. I guess. Apologies if you felt I was impinging on your feelings. That wasn't my intent. Edited to add: Thanks for the downvote, Raingirl! Means I must be on the right track. Edited April 12, 2022 by Stargazer -1 Link to comment
Kevin Christensen Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Clearly we know nothing of the afterlife. If only there were a group of men called of God to reveal such truths unto us. There is the Spirit World chapter in the Brigham Young Priesthood manual, which has things like this: Quote I can say with regard to parting with our friends, and going ourselves, that I have been near enough to understand eternity so that I have had to exercise a great deal more faith to desire to live than I ever exercised in my whole life to live. The brightness and glory of the next apartment is inexpressible. It is not encumbered so that when we advance in years we have to be stubbing along and be careful lest we fall down. We see our youth, even, frequently stubbing their toes and falling down. But yonder, how different! They move with ease and like lightning. If we want to visit Jerusalem, or this, that, or the other place—and I presume we will be permitted if we desire—there we are, looking at its streets. If we want to behold Jerusalem as it was in the days of the Savior; or if we want to see the Garden of Eden as it was when created, there we are, and we see it as it existed spiritually, for it was created first spiritually and then may behold the earth as at the dawn of creation, or we may visit any city we please that exists upon its surface. If we wish to understand how they are living here on these western islands, or in China, we are there; in fact, we are like the light of the morning. … God has revealed some little things, with regard to his movements and power, and the operation and motion of the lightning furnish a fine illustration of the ability of the Almighty (DBY, 380). When we pass into the spirit world we shall possess a measure of his power. Here, we are continually troubled with ills and ailments of various kinds. In the spirit world we are free from all this and enjoy life, glory, and intelligence; and we have the Father to speak to us, Jesus to speak to us, and angels to speak to us, and we shall enjoy the society of the just and the pure who are in the spirit world until the resurrection (DBY, 380–81). https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-38?lang=eng In looking at the Teachings of Brigham Young on the Spirit World it is evident that he goes far beyond what is contained in the Bible, and that he can do so because of his personal experience. The manual does not make the connection to what happened to him at Winter Quarters, but that, I think is the best explanation. See the account here: https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/097-86.pdf Then there was David B. Haight's NDE. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1989/11/the-sacrament-and-the-sacrifice?lang=eng Joseph F. Smith's Vision of the Redemption of the Dead in our Doctrine and Covenants is also informative and useful. The Nibley video, Faith of an Observer, contains Nibley's account of his own NDE. Many years ago I wrote an essay that demonstrates that Alma's conversion was comparable to modern Near Death Experience accounts: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/jbms/vol2/iss1/2/ One of the interesting things about Raymond Moody's Life after Life book is that it was preceeded by Duane Crowther's collection of LDS NDE accounts, Life Everlasting. Among other things, it includes several accounts, from Joseph Smith's vision of Alvin, to many more up to the time of his writing. Moody soon discovered how neatly LDS teachings and reports fit with his discoveries. His book The Light Beyond cites the LDS as the most prominent western faith to accept NDE accounts. He cites "Mormon Leaders" but if you check the accounts, it turns out to be Brigham Young. He tells the story of Jedediah Grant's NDE, as reported by Heber C. Kimball in conference, but leaves out Grant's most telling remark, "Why it was just as Brigham has told us many times." This is a video of Raymond Moody talking with about NDEs and containing the reports of six different experiencers, one of whom tried to commit suicide. I have seen several different videos on the topic and this is by far the my favorite. One of the key aspects of NDE accounts on experiencers is that those who have them report that they no longer fear death. It also turns out that just reading and listening to NDE accounts conveys the same benefits as the actual experience. This sort of information is readily found, if you seek it. If not, of course, you can choose to blame LDS leaders. FWIW, Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA Edited April 12, 2022 by Kevin Christensen 3 Link to comment
Calm Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I was just saying that what you said wasn't an escape is just a different form of escape. You don’t know the nuances and details of her thought process. She could have been walking fully toward what she saw was the issue and throwing herself as fully in as she could to solve it in the only way possible that she could see. With your type of insight, you could claim Jesus was escaping because he allowed himself to be killed, even set things up knowing he would be killed. A sacrifice is not an escape. You are over the top arrogant and emotionally blind in this to be dictating the parameters of her experience when you have no way of knowing what it was like. You need to stop it right now. It is not kind or wise or loving, what you are doing. She shared her vulnerability in order to help others and you are taking a knife to shred it rather than accepting it for what it is. Edited April 12, 2022 by Calm 4 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 55 minutes ago, rongo said: Long time, no hear, Jeanne! Good to hear from you! I'm always glad when Jeanne posts! Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kevin Christensen said: There is the Spirit World chapter in the Brigham Young Priesthood manual, which has things like this: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-brigham-young/chapter-38?lang=eng In looking at the Teachings of Brigham Young on the Spirit World it is evident that he goes far beyond what is contained in the Bible, and that he can do so because of his personal experience. The manual does not make the connection to what happened to him at Winter Quarters, but that, I think is the best explanation. See the account here: https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/097-86.pdf Then there was David B. Haight's NDE. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1989/11/the-sacrament-and-the-sacrifice?lang=eng Joseph F. Smith's Vision of the Redemption of the Dead in our Doctrine and Covenants is also informative and useful. The Nibley video, Faith of an Observer, contains Nibley's account of his own NDE. Many years ago I wrote an essay that demonstrates that Alma's conversion was comparable to modern Near Death Experience accounts: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/jbms/vol2/iss1/2/ One of the interesting things about Raymond Moody's Life after Life book is that it was preceeded by Duane Crowther's collection of LDS NDE accounts, Life Everlasting. Among other things, it includes several accounts, from Joseph Smith's vision of Alvin, to many more up to the time of his writing. Moody soon discovered how neatly LDS teachings and reports fit with his discoveries. His book The Light Beyond cites the LDS as the most prominent western faith to accept NDE accounts. He cites "Mormon Leaders" but if you check the accounts, it turns out to be Brigham Young. He tells the story of Jedediah Grant's NDE, as reported by Heber C. Kimball in conference, but leaves out Grant's most telling remark, "Why it was just as Brigham has told us many times." This is a video of Raymond Moody talking with about NDEs and containing the reports of six different experiencers, one of whom tried to commit suicide. I have seen several different videos on the topic and this is by far the my favorite. One of the key aspects of NDE accounts on experiencers is that those who have them report that they no longer fear death. It also turns out that just reading and listening to NDE accounts conveys the same benefits as the actual experience. This sort of information is readily found, if you seek it. If not, of course, you can choose to blame LDS leaders. FWIW, Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA And maintain a belief of an afterlife. Link to comment
Stargazer Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Calm said: You don’t know the nuances and details of her thought process. Nor do I need to know them. Because I wasn't criticizing her thought processes. I wasn't criticizing her. I can completely relate to what she experienced, because it is something that I am beginning to feel myself in my own life's story. I was just stating my opinion that escape takes many forms, including escaping from the burden of being a burden, because that worries me in my own situation. And because of that, I can understand at least partly what she was going through way back when! Feel free to disagree, but my word, "taking a knife to shred" her vulnerability? I have done no such thing. 11 minutes ago, Calm said: She could have been walking fully toward what she saw was the issue and throwing herself as fully in as she could to solve it in the only way possible that she could see. I wasn't being critical of her thought processes, or denigrating her solutions. Her solutions were effective, and very workable. The results were admirable. You assume malign intent on my part, and for that I can only shrug my shoulders, because that was not my intent. If you are offended, I suggest that offense occurs in the mind of the person offended. 11 minutes ago, Calm said: With your type of insight, you could claim Jesus was escaping because he allowed himself to be killed, even set things up knowing he would be killed. A sacrifice is not an escape. No, I couldn't, and Jesus wasn't escaping, he was heading full-speed into peril for the best of reasons, the salvation of mankind. The man or woman who jumps onto a live hand grenade to save the lives of her or his fellows is not escaping, but sacrificing for the greater good. The mother cat who fights and dies to save her kittens from a predator is doing no less. 11 minutes ago, Calm said: You are over the top arrogant and emotionally blind in this to be dictating the parameters of her experience when you have no way of knowing what it was like. I wasn't dictating a single thing. I was simply saying that suicide for any reason is a form of escape. I am actually surprised that you don't see that. And believe it or not, "escape" is not a pejorative, even in the case of suicide or suicidal thoughts. I completely understand and empathize with escape. 11 minutes ago, Calm said: You need to stop it right now. It is not kind or wise or loving, what you are doing. She shared her vulnerability in order to help others and you are taking a knife to shred it rather than accepting it for what it is. You are being over the top emotionally abusive as well, Calm. To me. Blowing up like an atom bomb over what constitutes "escape". Why the heck do you think I stayed away from this place for 3 months? I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. -5 Link to comment
Popular Post Raingirl Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Nor do I need to know them. Because I wasn't criticizing her thought processes. I wasn't criticizing her. I can completely relate to what she experienced, because it is something that I am beginning to feel myself in my own life's story. I was just stating my opinion that escape takes many forms, including escaping from the burden of being a burden, because that worries me in my own situation. And because of that, I can understand at least partly what she was going through way back when! Feel free to disagree, but my word, "taking a knife to shred" her vulnerability? I have done no such thing. I wasn't being critical of her thought processes, or denigrating her solutions. Her solutions were effective, and very workable. The results were admirable. You assume malign intent on my part, and for that I can only shrug my shoulders, because that was not my intent. If you are offended, I suggest that offense occurs in the mind of the person offended. No, I couldn't, and Jesus wasn't escaping, he was heading full-speed into peril for the best of reasons, the salvation of mankind. The man or woman who jumps onto a live hand grenade to save the lives of her or his fellows is not escaping, but sacrificing for the greater good. The mother cat who fights and dies to save her kittens from a predator is doing no less. I wasn't dictating a single thing. I was simply saying that suicide for any reason is a form of escape. I am actually surprised that you don't see that. And believe it or not, "escape" is not a pejorative, even in the case of suicide or suicidal thoughts. I completely understand and empathize with escape. You are being over the top emotionally abusive as well, Calm. To me. Blowing up like an atom bomb over what constitutes "escape". Why the heck do you think I stayed away from this place for 3 months? I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. It is not just “stating my opinion” when you tell someone they are not feeling what they have stated they are feeling. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, it doesn’t make your mansplaining sexism right. 5 Link to comment
Popular Post ttribe Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Unless you have experienced firsthand the dark, persistent, intrusive thoughts of wanting to end your life, of wanting to end your emotional pain by ceasing to exist, you have no basis for attempting to equate some other experience (e.g. aging). There is, in my opinion, no equivalent and it is arrogant presumption to attempt to do so. Edited April 12, 2022 by ttribe 5 Link to comment
Popular Post ttribe Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Nor do I need to know them. Because I wasn't criticizing her thought processes. I wasn't criticizing her. I can completely relate to what she experienced, because it is something that I am beginning to feel myself in my own life's story. I was just stating my opinion that escape takes many forms, including escaping from the burden of being a burden, because that worries me in my own situation. And because of that, I can understand at least partly what she was going through way back when! Feel free to disagree, but my word, "taking a knife to shred" her vulnerability? I have done no such thing. I wasn't being critical of her thought processes, or denigrating her solutions. Her solutions were effective, and very workable. The results were admirable. You assume malign intent on my part, and for that I can only shrug my shoulders, because that was not my intent. If you are offended, I suggest that offense occurs in the mind of the person offended. No, I couldn't, and Jesus wasn't escaping, he was heading full-speed into peril for the best of reasons, the salvation of mankind. The man or woman who jumps onto a live hand grenade to save the lives of her or his fellows is not escaping, but sacrificing for the greater good. The mother cat who fights and dies to save her kittens from a predator is doing no less. I wasn't dictating a single thing. I was simply saying that suicide for any reason is a form of escape. I am actually surprised that you don't see that. And believe it or not, "escape" is not a pejorative, even in the case of suicide or suicidal thoughts. I completely understand and empathize with escape. You are being over the top emotionally abusive as well, Calm. To me. Blowing up like an atom bomb over what constitutes "escape". Why the heck do you think I stayed away from this place for 3 months? I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. Has it ever occurred to you that what you are doing on this subject is just wrong? That you don't actually understand the pain of persistent intrusive suicidal thoughts? That weighing in as if you are the sage is not going to be accepted because you clearly have no real understanding of the issue at hand? 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Calm Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. And that isn’t a clue? 7 Link to comment
Calm Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, ttribe said: That you don't actually understand the pain of persistent intrusive suicidal thoughts? Which come in many varieties, not just one…which makes understanding even more complicated and why it is very important to listen, especially to someone who has had the time and ability to process, learn, and reevaluate their experience rather than assuming a one size fits all. Edited April 13, 2022 by Calm 4 Link to comment
Popular Post Rain Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Nor do I need to know them. Because I wasn't criticizing her thought processes. I wasn't criticizing her. I can completely relate to what she experienced, because it is something that I am beginning to feel myself in my own life's story. You may have a little more than a decade on me, but I've had type 1 diabetes for 44 years. I understand what you are saying about being a burden, because I have already spent a lot of my life feeling similar things. This is not the same thing as I was talking about. 43 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I was just stating my opinion that escape takes many forms, including escaping from the burden of being a burden, This is not what I was talking about. 43 minutes ago, Stargazer said: because that worries me in my own situation. And because of that, I can understand at least partly what she was going through way back when! Feel free to disagree, but my word, "taking a knife to shred" her vulnerability? I have done no such thing. I wasn't being critical of her thought processes, or denigrating her solutions. Her solutions were effective, and very workable. The results were admirable. You assume malign intent on my part, and for that I can only shrug my shoulders, because that was not my intent. If you are offended, I suggest that offense occurs in the mind of the person offended. No, I couldn't, and Jesus wasn't escaping, he was heading full-speed into peril for the best of reasons, the salvation of mankind. The man or woman who jumps onto a live hand grenade to save the lives of her or his fellows is not escaping, but sacrificing for the greater good. The mother cat who fights and dies to save her kittens from a predator is doing no less. I'm glad you understand those things because in my very messed up mind that is what I felt I was doing. My belief that my death would help someone was wrong, but it is what I believed at the time. It was not escape. 43 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I wasn't dictating a single thing. I was simply saying that suicide for any reason is a form of escape. 43 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I am actually surprised that you don't see that. And believe it or not, "escape" is not a pejorative, even in the case of suicide or suicidal thoughts. I completely understand and empathize with escape. You are being over the top emotionally abusive as well, Calm. To me. Blowing up like an atom bomb over what constitutes "escape". Why the heck do you think I stayed away from this place for 3 months? I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. 8 Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 52 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Nor do I need to know them. Because I wasn't criticizing her thought processes. I wasn't criticizing her. I can completely relate to what she experienced, because it is something that I am beginning to feel myself in my own life's story. I was just stating my opinion that escape takes many forms, including escaping from the burden of being a burden, because that worries me in my own situation. And because of that, I can understand at least partly what she was going through way back when! Feel free to disagree, but my word, "taking a knife to shred" her vulnerability? I have done no such thing. I wasn't being critical of her thought processes, or denigrating her solutions. Her solutions were effective, and very workable. The results were admirable. You assume malign intent on my part, and for that I can only shrug my shoulders, because that was not my intent. If you are offended, I suggest that offense occurs in the mind of the person offended. No, I couldn't, and Jesus wasn't escaping, he was heading full-speed into peril for the best of reasons, the salvation of mankind. The man or woman who jumps onto a live hand grenade to save the lives of her or his fellows is not escaping, but sacrificing for the greater good. The mother cat who fights and dies to save her kittens from a predator is doing no less. I wasn't dictating a single thing. I was simply saying that suicide for any reason is a form of escape. I am actually surprised that you don't see that. And believe it or not, "escape" is not a pejorative, even in the case of suicide or suicidal thoughts. I completely understand and empathize with escape. You are being over the top emotionally abusive as well, Calm. To me. Blowing up like an atom bomb over what constitutes "escape". Why the heck do you think I stayed away from this place for 3 months? I'm actually stunned at the mountain this apparent molehill has turned into. I copied the part of raingirl's comment that I felt was especially significant: It is not just “stating my opinion” when you tell someone they are not feeling what they have stated they are feeling. I can see why you believe that contemplating suicide because one doesn't want to be a burden is also a form of escape. But when Rain said that she didn't view it that way, and you said that you were going to contradict her on that, that's where the pushback is coming from. To contradict means to deny the truth of something and state the opposite, so to contradict Rain you have essentially told her that her personal feelings about her previous suicidal thoughts from decades ago weren't true. Maybe (hopefully) that's not what you meant to do. But it's what has happened. 8 Link to comment
Popular Post Calm Posted April 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: You assume malign intent on my part No, .I did not. I assigned arrogance, blindness, etc. You do not understand what you are doing. You think you are helping when you are hurting, like a surgeon who thinks a perfectly healthy organ is damaged and needs to be removed.. It is not the good kind of pain here. Edited April 12, 2022 by Calm 6 Link to comment
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