bOObOO Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 22 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said: It seems as part of the churches rebranding they have decided that Moroni is no longer the one they want to promote as the symbol of the church. New temples are being built without his iconic presence I wonder why? https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/10/02/statue-limitations-under/ Well, we never did want Moroni promoted as the symbol for our Church. He was only a messenger, a very important messenger, but still only a messenger for our Lord and Savior. Declaring the gospel in the book of his Dad to all nations. His image is still up there even though we may not see it sometimes, though. Just as people in the spirit world are all around us even though we don't usually see them, in this dimension. Link to comment
JAHS Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 22 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said: It seems as part of the churches rebranding they have decided that Moroni is no longer the one they want to promote as the symbol of the church. New temples are being built without his iconic presence I wonder why? https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/10/02/statue-limitations-under/ According to the church, "Location is paramount in deciding whether to include the statue or leave it off. Factors such as building codes and cultural perceptions play a large role. Many of the smaller or remote temples do not include it in their designs, such as the Paris France and Port-au-Prince Haiti Temples." 2 Link to comment
Thinking Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 20 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Yawn. Few things could be more somnorific than dredging up a year-old story to stir up interest in a topic that was not all that amazing to begin with. Right. In Mormon culture, the raising of the Moroni statue has become an "event" that many faithful LDS pause their activities to attend and a certain newspaper covers. Angel Moroni statue ascends to top of Provo City Center Temple Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: While I'm correcting spelling, typography, grammar, and word usage, the word you're looking for, Dear, is spires. You're welcome. I'm happy to be of service! Looks like Tacenda was the victim of an overly vigilant auto-correct function. I doubt she meant to type spirals. But thanks. I couldn’t decipher what she was trying to say, and in this instance, my intuition was not keen enough to figure it out. Edited September 27, 2021 by Scott Lloyd 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: Duh, I guess that would be a good thing then. So are our [spires] at the churches used for the same thing? Or probably coincide with Bernard's literally and figuratively reply. Perhaps. I just know I have seen photos of some statues where the lightning rod is embedded within the statue structure. I think it would only be an issue in locales where the risk of lightning strikes is higher. Incidentally, on a ward or stake meetinghouse, it would more commonly be termed a steeple or a tower. Edited September 27, 2021 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
Judd Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: There has not as yet been an angel statue removed from a temple, there continue to be temples constructed with angel statues, and there’s no reason to think this will change. While I agree with your sentiment generally, the Hong Kong temple did have its Moroni removed with this renovation. One could speculate on numerous reasons for that, and could certainly point to other renovations that haven’t removed it, but I do believe it’s possible in some future renovations you may see that. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: There has not as yet been an angel statue removed from a temple, there continue to be temples constructed with angel statues, and there’s no reason to think this will change. An angel statue has never been a required feature for a temple; some older temples do not have it. To conclude that the absence of a statue on some newer temples indicates a watering down of the Church’s uniqueness is to ignore what goes on day after day within the temples. Perhaps there's some deep unique Church Doctrine if they are removed. If the angel Moroni is supposed to represent Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Perhaps when it's time for the Missionaries to be called home it will mark the end of that period. Perhaps when the righteous in the world begin fleeing to Zion instead of being searched out the temples will be a refuge from the nations rather than an ensign to the nations. D&C 124:36 For it is ordained that in Zion, and in her stakes, and in Jerusalem, those places which I have appointed for refuge, shall be the places for your baptisms for your dead. Edited September 27, 2021 by JLHPROF 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Judd said: While I agree with your sentiment generally, the Hong Kong temple did have its Moroni removed with this renovation. One could speculate on numerous reasons for that, and could certainly point to other renovations that haven’t removed it, but I do believe it’s possible in some future renovations you may see that. Hong Kong is, imo, a special case given what is happening with the government there. I wouldn’t extrapolate from there to what is happening elsewhere in the Church. Implications for Shanghai and its temple could also be applied to Hong Kong. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/asia/mormon-church-latter-day-saints-china-intl-hnk/index.html https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/shanghai-people's-republic-of-china-temple/ Edited September 27, 2021 by Calm 3 Link to comment
Traela Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 The Idaho Falls temple originally didn’t have a Moroni. I was sort of hoping they’d take it back off as part of the renovation; IMHO it’s too large. Link to comment
Calm Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Traela said: The Idaho Falls temple originally didn’t have a Moroni. I was sort of hoping they’d take it back off as part of the renovation; IMHO it’s too large. The Provo City Center is too large, IMO. I feel like it is going to fall off when I drive by. Edited September 28, 2021 by Calm Link to comment
mrmarklin Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 1:30 PM, webbles said: It all started when he dropped his horn during the earthquake. Since then, he has been removed as the icon for the church and now no longer being added to temples. Tough loss for him Pretty much this. Dropping the Trump was just wrong. Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I seem to recall that in some countries all that gold on a statue was inappropriate to the low income of the general populace. (I guess based on the idea that the money was better spent on the poor? But actually I think I remember some concern about attempts to steal the "riches" of the temple) Anybody remember that? Link to comment
Calm Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I seem to recall that in some countries all that gold on a statue was inappropriate to the low income of the general populace. (I guess based on the idea that the money was better spent on the poor? But actually I think I remember some concern about attempts to steal the "riches" of the temple) Anybody remember that? I remember it as being more of avoiding an “in your face” moment, not having it to avoid the appearance of the Church bragging or being for the more affluent. 1 Link to comment
Judd Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 9/27/2021 at 3:59 PM, Calm said: Hong Kong is, imo, a special case given what is happening with the government there. I wouldn’t extrapolate from there to what is happening elsewhere in the Church. Implications for Shanghai and its temple could also be applied to Hong Kong. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/asia/mormon-church-latter-day-saints-china-intl-hnk/index.html https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/shanghai-people's-republic-of-china-temple/ Just an update to this. The new rendition for the Provo renovation has removed the Moroni. With the last dozens (or more) temple renditions released without Moroni, and with it being removed in renovations such as this, I believe it’s safe to assume you won’t see Moroni on any temple going forward any time soon. 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Artistically temples look better without the statues, but they are also less interesting, so ambivalent about this if true. Edited November 24, 2021 by Calm 2 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I SO love President Nelson's changes here and elsewhere! Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Judd said: Just an update to this. The new rendition for the Provo renovation has removed the Moroni. With the last dozens (or more) temple renditions released without Moroni, and with it being removed in renovations such as this, I believe it’s safe to assume you won’t see Moroni on any temple going forward any time soon. Why is it “safe to assume” that? Planned new temples in Layton, Saratoga Springs and Red Cliffs in St. George all are anticipated to have a statue. Added later: The above is not a “renovation” as such. It’s a planned removal of an existing structure and replacement with an all-new one. So it’s not like this portends a removal of the statue from future renovations that truly are renovations and not total removals-and-reconstructions. Added yet later: I just did a fact-check of my own post and learned that the Provo temple project will not be a total demolition and rebuild, as I had earlier assumed. Rather, it will be more like what transpired with the Ogden temple; that is, a removal of the outside “skin,” to be replaced with a new exterior design. That’s what I now understand, anyway. Maybe there’s more to it that I don’t yet grasp, however. This doesn’t alter materially my point about the Provo project not necessarily portending the discontinuance of Moroni statues in new temple construction going forward. But in the interest of accuracy, I did want to set the record straight. Edited November 25, 2021 by Scott Lloyd 2 Link to comment
Judd Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 12:34 PM, Scott Lloyd said: Why is it “safe to assume” that? Planned new temples in Layton, Saratoga Springs and Red Cliffs in St. George all are anticipated to have a statue. Indeed they are. The temple rendering for Layton was released in October 2019, Saratoga Springs in September 2019, and Red Cliffs in April 2020. One of the most frequent arguments for the large rash of temple renderings not having a Moroni atop is either size or local customs. This would be to ignore renderings released for all subsequent Utah temples where cultural issues would not preclude this and their size would be of appropriate proportion (Orem in June of 2020, Taylorsville in August of 2020, Deseret Peak in April of 2020, Syracuse in February of 2021, Lindon in April of 2021, Smithfield in November of 2021, and now the renovation of Provo in November of 2021). To say that there is not any big trend on this would not be at all accurate, in my view. Below I've taken a chronological list of all temples (completed, under construction, or announced) where it is known what the final design is (I've removed temples planned that don't have renderings released). In gold are temples which have (or will have) a Moroni. In black are those that aren't. Two current temples (Hong Kong and Provo) are listed with appropriate qualifiers. 1 St. George Utah Temple 2 Logan Utah Temple 3 Manti Utah Temple 4 Salt Lake Temple 5 Laie Hawaii Temple 6 Cardston Alberta Temple 7 Mesa Arizona Temple 8 Idaho Falls Idaho Temple 9 Bern Switzerland Temple 10 Los Angeles California Temple 11 Hamilton New Zealand Temple 12 London England Temple 13 Oakland California Temple 14 Ogden Utah Temple 15 Provo Utah Temple (being removed) 16 Washington D.C. Temple 17 São Paulo Brazil Temple 18 Tokyo Japan Temple 19 Seattle Washington Temple 20 Jordan River Utah Temple 21 Atlanta Georgia Temple 22 Apia Samoa Temple 23 Nuku'alofa Tonga Temple 24 Santiago Chile Temple 25 Papeete Tahiti Temple 26 Mexico City Mexico Temple 27 Boise Idaho Temple 28 Sydney Australia Temple 29 Manila Philippines Temple 30 Dallas Texas Temple 31 Taipei Taiwan Temple 32 Guatemala City Guatemala Temple 33 Freiberg Germany Temple 34 Stockholm Sweden Temple 35 Chicago Illinois Temple 36 Johannesburg South Africa Temple 37 Seoul Korea Temple 38 Lima Peru Temple 39 Buenos Aires Argentina Temple 40 Denver Colorado Temple 41 Frankfurt Germany Temple 42 Portland Oregon Temple 43 Las Vegas Nevada Temple 44 Toronto Ontario Temple 45 San Diego California Temple 46 Orlando Florida Temple 47 Bountiful Utah Temple 48 Hong Kong China Temple (being removed) 49 Mount Timpanogos Utah Temple 50 St. Louis Missouri Temple 51 Vernal Utah Temple 52 Preston England Temple 53 Monticello Utah Temple 54 Anchorage Alaska Temple 55 Colonia Juárez Chihuahua Mexico Temple 56 Madrid Spain Temple 57 Bogotá Colombia Temple 58 Guayaquil Ecuador Temple 59 Spokane Washington Temple 60 Columbus Ohio Temple 61 Bismarck North Dakota Temple 62 Columbia South Carolina Temple 63 Detroit Michigan Temple 64 Halifax Nova Scotia Temple 65 Regina Saskatchewan Temple 66 Billings Montana Temple 67 Edmonton Alberta Temple 68 Raleigh North Carolina Temple 69 St. Paul Minnesota Temple 70 Kona Hawaii Temple 71 Ciudad Juárez Mexico Temple 72 Hermosillo Sonora Mexico Temple 73 Albuquerque New Mexico Temple 74 Oaxaca Mexico Temple 75 Tuxtla Gutiérrez Mexico Temple 76 Louisville Kentucky Temple 77 Palmyra New York Temple 78 Fresno California Temple 79 Medford Oregon Temple 80 Memphis Tennessee Temple 81 Reno Nevada Temple 82 Cochabamba Bolivia Temple 83 Tampico Mexico Temple 84 Nashville Tennessee Temple 85 Villahermosa Mexico Temple 86 Montreal Quebec Temple 87 San José Costa Rica Temple 88 Fukuoka Japan Temple 89 Adelaide Australia Temple 90 Melbourne Australia Temple 91 Suva Fiji Temple 92 Mérida Mexico Temple 93 Veracruz Mexico Temple 94 Baton Rouge Louisiana Temple 95 Oklahoma City Oklahoma Temple 96 Caracas Venezuela Temple 97 Houston Texas Temple 98 Birmingham Alabama Temple 99 Santo Domingo Dominican Republic Temple 100 Boston Massachusetts Temple 101 Recife Brazil Temple 102 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 103 Montevideo Uruguay Temple 104 Winter Quarters Nebraska Temple 105 Guadalajara Mexico Temple 106 Perth Australia Temple 107 Columbia River Washington Temple 108 Snowflake Arizona Temple 109 Lubbock Texas Temple 110 Monterrey Mexico Temple 111 Campinas Brazil Temple 112 Asunción Paraguay Temple 113 Nauvoo Illinois Temple 114 The Hague Netherlands Temple 115 Brisbane Australia Temple 116 Redlands California Temple 117 Accra Ghana Temple 118 Copenhagen Denmark Temple 119 Manhattan New York Temple 120 San Antonio Texas Temple 121 Aba Nigeria Temple 122 Newport Beach California Temple 123 Sacramento California Temple 124 Helsinki Finland Temple 125 Rexburg Idaho Temple 126 Curitiba Brazil Temple 127 Panama City Panama Temple 128 Twin Falls Idaho Temple 129 Draper Utah Temple 130 Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple 131 Vancouver British Columbia Temple 132 The Gila Valley Arizona Temple 133 Cebu City Philippines Temple 134 Kyiv Ukraine Temple 135 San Salvador El Salvador Temple 136 Quetzaltenango Guatemala Temple 137 Kansas City Missouri Temple 138 Manaus Brazil Temple 139 Brigham City Utah Temple 140 Calgary Alberta Temple 141 Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple 142 Gilbert Arizona Temple 143 Fort Lauderdale Florida Temple 144 Phoenix Arizona Temple 145 Córdoba Argentina Temple 146 Payson Utah Temple 147 Trujillo Peru Temple 148 Indianapolis Indiana Temple 149 Tijuana Mexico Temple 150 Provo City Center Temple 151 Sapporo Japan Temple 152 Philadelphia Pennsylvania Temple 153 Fort Collins Colorado Temple 154 Star Valley Wyoming Temple 155 Hartford Connecticut Temple 156 Paris France Temple 157 Tucson Arizona Temple 158 Meridian Idaho Temple 159 Cedar City Utah Temple 160 Concepción Chile Temple 161 Barranquilla Colombia Temple 162 Rome Italy Temple 163 Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple 164 Fortaleza Brazil Temple 165 Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple 166 Lisbon Portugal Temple 167 Arequipa Peru Temple 168 Durban South Africa Temple 169 Winnipeg Manitoba Temple 170 Pocatello Idaho Temple Temples Under Construction Temple 171 Rio de Janeiro Brazil Temple† 172 Abidjan Ivory Coast Temple 173 Urdaneta Philippines Temple 174 Bangkok Thailand Temple 175 Yigo Guam Temple 176 Praia Cape Verde Temple 177 San Juan Puerto Rico Temple 178 Quito Ecuador Temple 179 Lima Peru Los Olivos Temple 180 Belém Brazil Temple 181 Saratoga Springs Utah Temple 182 Puebla Mexico Temple 183 Richmond Virginia Temple 184 Layton Utah Temple 185 Alabang Philippines Temple 186 Auckland New Zealand Temple 187 Feather River California Temple 188 Orem Utah Temple 189 San Pedro Sula Honduras Temple 190 Brasília Brazil Temple 191 Moses Lake Washington Temple 192 Taylorsville Utah Temple 193 Salta Argentina Temple 194 Bentonville Arkansas Temple 195 Red Cliffs Utah Temple 196 Cobán Guatemala Temple 197 Davao Philippines Temple 198 McAllen Texas Temple 199 Antofagasta Chile Temple 200 Bengaluru India Temple 201 Okinawa Japan Temple 202 Harare Zimbabwe Temple 203 Mendoza Argentina Temple 204 Deseret Peak Utah Temple 205 Tallahassee Florida Temple 206 Syracuse Utah Temple 207 Helena Montana Temple 208 Salvador Brazil Temple 209 Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Temple 210 Neiafu Tonga Temple 211 Nairobi Kenya Temple 212 Phnom Penh Cambodia Temple 213 Casper Wyoming Temple 214 Pago Pago American Samoa Temple Announced Temples Temple 220 Port Moresby Papua New Guinea Temple 221 Freetown Sierra Leone Temple 222 Bacolod Philippines Temple† 228 Lindon Utah Temple 229 Tarawa Kiribati Temple 230 Port Vila Vanuatu Temple 231 Greater Guatemala City Guatemala Temple 234 Elko Nevada Temple 235 Smithfield Utah Temple 236 Grand Junction Colorado Temple 237 Farmington New Mexico Temple 238 Burley Idaho Temple 239 Yorba Linda California Temple 240 Willamette Valley Oregon Temple 241 Belo Horizonte Brazil Temple 242 Cali Colombia Temple 243 Torreón Mexico Temple What would make this above list better is if I could list them in chronological order of when their renderings were released. Unfortunately (and thankfully), I won't be taking the time to do that. If we are to assume that this is chronological based on rendering release date (it's not), then there have been 36 temples that have released renderings since the last one with a Moroni on it, including one temple that will be having the Moroni removed (Provo). The original argument was that Moroni had not disappeared from any temple, to which the reference to Hong Kong was dismissed for being possibly cultural. An example now with Provo is dismissed in reference of being a significant rebuild. One does not have to be a believer nor critic to notice a significant trend, nor would identifying the above such trend have to imply any underlying reason anymore than pointing out what is apparent. 4 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Judd said: Indeed they are. The temple rendering for Layton was released in October 2019, Saratoga Springs in September 2019, and Red Cliffs in April 2020. One of the most frequent arguments for the large rash of temple renderings not having a Moroni atop is either size or local customs. This would be to ignore renderings released for all subsequent Utah temples where cultural issues would not preclude this and their size would be of appropriate proportion (Orem in June of 2020, Taylorsville in August of 2020, Deseret Peak in April of 2020, Syracuse in February of 2021, Lindon in April of 2021, Smithfield in November of 2021, and now the renovation of Provo in November of 2021). To say that there is not any big trend on this would not be at all accurate, in my view. Below I've taken a chronological list of all temples (completed, under construction, or announced) where it is known what the final design is (I've removed temples planned that don't have renderings released). In gold are temples which have (or will have) a Moroni. In black are those that aren't. Two current temples (Hong Kong and Provo) are listed with appropriate qualifiers. 1 St. George Utah Temple 2 Logan Utah Temple 3 Manti Utah Temple 4 Salt Lake Temple 5 Laie Hawaii Temple 6 Cardston Alberta Temple 7 Mesa Arizona Temple 8 Idaho Falls Idaho Temple 9 Bern Switzerland Temple 10 Los Angeles California Temple 11 Hamilton New Zealand Temple 12 London England Temple 13 Oakland California Temple 14 Ogden Utah Temple 15 Provo Utah Temple (being removed) 16 Washington D.C. Temple 17 São Paulo Brazil Temple 18 Tokyo Japan Temple 19 Seattle Washington Temple 20 Jordan River Utah Temple 21 Atlanta Georgia Temple 22 Apia Samoa Temple 23 Nuku'alofa Tonga Temple 24 Santiago Chile Temple 25 Papeete Tahiti Temple 26 Mexico City Mexico Temple 27 Boise Idaho Temple 28 Sydney Australia Temple 29 Manila Philippines Temple 30 Dallas Texas Temple 31 Taipei Taiwan Temple 32 Guatemala City Guatemala Temple 33 Freiberg Germany Temple 34 Stockholm Sweden Temple 35 Chicago Illinois Temple 36 Johannesburg South Africa Temple 37 Seoul Korea Temple 38 Lima Peru Temple 39 Buenos Aires Argentina Temple 40 Denver Colorado Temple 41 Frankfurt Germany Temple 42 Portland Oregon Temple 43 Las Vegas Nevada Temple 44 Toronto Ontario Temple 45 San Diego California Temple 46 Orlando Florida Temple 47 Bountiful Utah Temple 48 Hong Kong China Temple (being removed) 49 Mount Timpanogos Utah Temple 50 St. Louis Missouri Temple 51 Vernal Utah Temple 52 Preston England Temple 53 Monticello Utah Temple 54 Anchorage Alaska Temple 55 Colonia Juárez Chihuahua Mexico Temple 56 Madrid Spain Temple 57 Bogotá Colombia Temple 58 Guayaquil Ecuador Temple 59 Spokane Washington Temple 60 Columbus Ohio Temple 61 Bismarck North Dakota Temple 62 Columbia South Carolina Temple 63 Detroit Michigan Temple 64 Halifax Nova Scotia Temple 65 Regina Saskatchewan Temple 66 Billings Montana Temple 67 Edmonton Alberta Temple 68 Raleigh North Carolina Temple 69 St. Paul Minnesota Temple 70 Kona Hawaii Temple 71 Ciudad Juárez Mexico Temple 72 Hermosillo Sonora Mexico Temple 73 Albuquerque New Mexico Temple 74 Oaxaca Mexico Temple 75 Tuxtla Gutiérrez Mexico Temple 76 Louisville Kentucky Temple 77 Palmyra New York Temple 78 Fresno California Temple 79 Medford Oregon Temple 80 Memphis Tennessee Temple 81 Reno Nevada Temple 82 Cochabamba Bolivia Temple 83 Tampico Mexico Temple 84 Nashville Tennessee Temple 85 Villahermosa Mexico Temple 86 Montreal Quebec Temple 87 San José Costa Rica Temple 88 Fukuoka Japan Temple 89 Adelaide Australia Temple 90 Melbourne Australia Temple 91 Suva Fiji Temple 92 Mérida Mexico Temple 93 Veracruz Mexico Temple 94 Baton Rouge Louisiana Temple 95 Oklahoma City Oklahoma Temple 96 Caracas Venezuela Temple 97 Houston Texas Temple 98 Birmingham Alabama Temple 99 Santo Domingo Dominican Republic Temple 100 Boston Massachusetts Temple 101 Recife Brazil Temple 102 Porto Alegre Brazil Temple 103 Montevideo Uruguay Temple 104 Winter Quarters Nebraska Temple 105 Guadalajara Mexico Temple 106 Perth Australia Temple 107 Columbia River Washington Temple 108 Snowflake Arizona Temple 109 Lubbock Texas Temple 110 Monterrey Mexico Temple 111 Campinas Brazil Temple 112 Asunción Paraguay Temple 113 Nauvoo Illinois Temple 114 The Hague Netherlands Temple 115 Brisbane Australia Temple 116 Redlands California Temple 117 Accra Ghana Temple 118 Copenhagen Denmark Temple 119 Manhattan New York Temple 120 San Antonio Texas Temple 121 Aba Nigeria Temple 122 Newport Beach California Temple 123 Sacramento California Temple 124 Helsinki Finland Temple 125 Rexburg Idaho Temple 126 Curitiba Brazil Temple 127 Panama City Panama Temple 128 Twin Falls Idaho Temple 129 Draper Utah Temple 130 Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple 131 Vancouver British Columbia Temple 132 The Gila Valley Arizona Temple 133 Cebu City Philippines Temple 134 Kyiv Ukraine Temple 135 San Salvador El Salvador Temple 136 Quetzaltenango Guatemala Temple 137 Kansas City Missouri Temple 138 Manaus Brazil Temple 139 Brigham City Utah Temple 140 Calgary Alberta Temple 141 Tegucigalpa Honduras Temple 142 Gilbert Arizona Temple 143 Fort Lauderdale Florida Temple 144 Phoenix Arizona Temple 145 Córdoba Argentina Temple 146 Payson Utah Temple 147 Trujillo Peru Temple 148 Indianapolis Indiana Temple 149 Tijuana Mexico Temple 150 Provo City Center Temple 151 Sapporo Japan Temple 152 Philadelphia Pennsylvania Temple 153 Fort Collins Colorado Temple 154 Star Valley Wyoming Temple 155 Hartford Connecticut Temple 156 Paris France Temple 157 Tucson Arizona Temple 158 Meridian Idaho Temple 159 Cedar City Utah Temple 160 Concepción Chile Temple 161 Barranquilla Colombia Temple 162 Rome Italy Temple 163 Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple 164 Fortaleza Brazil Temple 165 Port-au-Prince Haiti Temple 166 Lisbon Portugal Temple 167 Arequipa Peru Temple 168 Durban South Africa Temple 169 Winnipeg Manitoba Temple 170 Pocatello Idaho Temple Temples Under Construction Temple 171 Rio de Janeiro Brazil Temple† 172 Abidjan Ivory Coast Temple 173 Urdaneta Philippines Temple 174 Bangkok Thailand Temple 175 Yigo Guam Temple 176 Praia Cape Verde Temple 177 San Juan Puerto Rico Temple 178 Quito Ecuador Temple 179 Lima Peru Los Olivos Temple 180 Belém Brazil Temple 181 Saratoga Springs Utah Temple 182 Puebla Mexico Temple 183 Richmond Virginia Temple 184 Layton Utah Temple 185 Alabang Philippines Temple 186 Auckland New Zealand Temple 187 Feather River California Temple 188 Orem Utah Temple 189 San Pedro Sula Honduras Temple 190 Brasília Brazil Temple 191 Moses Lake Washington Temple 192 Taylorsville Utah Temple 193 Salta Argentina Temple 194 Bentonville Arkansas Temple 195 Red Cliffs Utah Temple 196 Cobán Guatemala Temple 197 Davao Philippines Temple 198 McAllen Texas Temple 199 Antofagasta Chile Temple 200 Bengaluru India Temple 201 Okinawa Japan Temple 202 Harare Zimbabwe Temple 203 Mendoza Argentina Temple 204 Deseret Peak Utah Temple 205 Tallahassee Florida Temple 206 Syracuse Utah Temple 207 Helena Montana Temple 208 Salvador Brazil Temple 209 Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Temple 210 Neiafu Tonga Temple 211 Nairobi Kenya Temple 212 Phnom Penh Cambodia Temple 213 Casper Wyoming Temple 214 Pago Pago American Samoa Temple Announced Temples Temple 220 Port Moresby Papua New Guinea Temple 221 Freetown Sierra Leone Temple 222 Bacolod Philippines Temple† 228 Lindon Utah Temple 229 Tarawa Kiribati Temple 230 Port Vila Vanuatu Temple 231 Greater Guatemala City Guatemala Temple 234 Elko Nevada Temple 235 Smithfield Utah Temple 236 Grand Junction Colorado Temple 237 Farmington New Mexico Temple 238 Burley Idaho Temple 239 Yorba Linda California Temple 240 Willamette Valley Oregon Temple 241 Belo Horizonte Brazil Temple 242 Cali Colombia Temple 243 Torreón Mexico Temple What would make this above list better is if I could list them in chronological order of when their renderings were released. Unfortunately (and thankfully), I won't be taking the time to do that. If we are to assume that this is chronological based on rendering release date (it's not), then there have been 36 temples that have released renderings since the last one with a Moroni on it, including one temple that will be having the Moroni removed (Provo). The original argument was that Moroni had not disappeared from any temple, to which the reference to Hong Kong was dismissed for being possibly cultural. An example now with Provo is dismissed in reference of being a significant rebuild. One does not have to be a believer nor critic to notice a significant trend, nor would identifying the above such trend have to imply any underlying reason anymore than pointing out what is apparent. The trend is undeniable. But you oversold your point by declaring, “I believe it’s safe to assume you won’t see Moroni on any temple going forward any time soon.” I don’t believe you, or anyone else at this point, can competently say that. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I can't start threads, so hopefully this will just be a bleep on the thread. But what do you think about the change of the logo for the church? Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I can't start threads, so hopefully this will just be a bleep on the thread. But what do you think about the change of the logo for the church? Old news that, if I recall correctly, was discussed here at length a couple of years ago when it happened. But to answer your question, I’m in whole-hearted agreement with it. And no, I don’t believe it amounts to a ditching of the Moroni image as one of an array of symbols that reflect the Church of Jesus Christ and His restored gospel. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Old news that, if I recall correctly, was discussed here at length a couple of years ago when it happened. But to answer your question, I’m in whole-hearted agreement with it. And no, I don’t believe it amounts to a ditching of the Moroni image as one of an array of symbols that reflect the Church of Jesus Christ and His restored gospel. I mean the color change. Link to comment
JAHS Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: I can't start threads, so hopefully this will just be a bleep on the thread. But what do you think about the change of the logo for the church? I don't think that is an official "change". I have also seen it in orange and purple on other church related sites. Link to comment
Calm Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: But what do you think about the change of the logo for the church? Where did you see it? I will be very surprised if this became the dominant logo colour. Blue works better in most contexts, IMO. https://www.canva.com/learn/color-psychology-the-logo-color-tricks-used-by-top-companies/ https://www.webfx.com/logo-colors/ Edited November 28, 2021 by Calm Link to comment
JAHS Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Calm said: 6 hours ago, Tacenda said: But what do you think about the change of the logo for the church? Where did you see it? I will be very surprised if this became the dominant logo colour. Blue works better in most contexts, IMO. https://www.canva.com/learn/color-psychology-the-logo-color-tricks-used-by-top-companies/ https://www.webfx.com/logo-colors/ Church Newsroom YouTube channel and Come unto Christ YouTube channel and General Conference YouTube channel 1 Link to comment
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